Moyes deliberately used Antonio on Coady the other night and it worked a treat. The Wolves fans all seem to suggest Coady has an issue with strong direct forwards. I agree though, he can be unplayable when he runs at a defender and draws a shed load of fouls and gives the rest of the team space.Whiskyman wrote: ↑Tue Sep 29, 2020 11:26 amI'm always amazed at how players are valued. Imo Antonio is very limited technically but he's as stroing as an ox and if I was a central defender I'd hate to play against the bloke. Even his un[predictability can be an asset. After all how can a defender expect to know what he's going to do when he probably doesn't even know himself.Clayton wrote: ↑Mon Sep 28, 2020 3:00 pm
Though I am not a fan of Antonio as a striker ( just do not think he can get us the goals consistently ) his work rate , power and pace are what worries opponents ( I see that now ) . What was going to make the difference in our attack was how well the fullbacks could get down the line , and how well Fornals , Bowen and Soucek could get into attacking areas to support him . That happened yesterday against Wolves , we don't actually need Antonio to be scoring the goals if those around him can .
But back to values. Antonio is limited but, imo, offers so much to the team in his current role. He offers a hell of a lot more than the last limited lump, Andy Carroll, we had up front. Yet Carroll was valued, at what is laughably called his peak, in tens of millions whilst Antonio would probably fetch what in today's market ? Even £10 million would be seen as an optimistic ask for him.
It's the same with Rice. I know they play in different positions but if Harry Maguire is worth £70 million what should Rice be valued at ? Don't get it at all tbh.
I think you have to take into account a lot of things when a transfer value is set. It is rarely arbitrary and even skill and value to a team are both subjective and also will be different depending on the buying teams needs. I guess the following come into account :
Who wants to break the contract at the club selling ? - if it is the player then he can be sold for less but he gets much less; if it is the club then the player is entitled to all (or more realistically a good part of his wages for the rest of the contract) and the selling club almost always tries to factor this into his fee.
Contract Remaining - If a player is on a long expensive contract he will be far more expensive than a player on a short one (see above)
Age and potential - A young player with bags of potential to play at the top level is more valuable than an older player
Buying club's need - A buying club desperately needs a position, the selling clubs valuation may go up
Selling clubs need - A club needing to sell (like Arsenal at the moment) because they have too many non-homegrown players will have the players value reduced. Not sure how Arsenal let it come to that.
Nationality - An English player is far more likely to be valued higher than any other because of the cap on foreign players.
Wages - If a player is on a giant wage then sometimes it is better to sell cheap to get him off the books especially if the buying club have to pay that kind of wage to him. Often they will pay less transfer fee if the wages are higher.
Fucking crazy system in my opinion but far more likely to be driven by economics of supply and demand than ever about the skill of a player.