Hammers Chat

BlackDiamond wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 9:37 pm

Neville Bartos wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 8:57 pm

The problem is there are no practical solutions.
Minorities have the same rights as everyone else, and there are laws to protect against discrimination.
None of these facts can stop people being racist though. And unfortunately racism, even more so than sexual assault, is hard to prove.
You see stats pulled out, which are notoriously unreliable (see: the gender pay gap). Then there's personal testimony, which is even more unreliable than stats.

The only 'solution' I ever see is one of positive discrimination. Usually in the form of targets and quotas. Some old woman resigned from the Birmingham Commonwealth Games committee this week because it lacked 'diversity'.
I mean never mind capability, your skin is the wrong colour! What sort of way is that to do business? This quest for diversity is counterproductive in my opinion.

The real problem is not the quest for diversity. It is worrying about the quest for diversity. That is why no progress is attainable.

It's the people who think equality of outcome is the be all and end all.
If minority representation isn't, at the very least, proportional then some form of racial discrimination must be at work.
And if there is some other factor involved, then there's a lack of inclusiveness... which is pretty much racial discrimination by proxy.

Here is a quote from the chairman of Kick it Out championing quotas and making people 'accountable' for diversity.

"The giant leap forward is making people accountable for targets and creating targets for coaches and senior leadership - that's how you drive inclusion."

None of this has anything to do with equality of opportunity, or suitability, or quality, or qualifications, or anything at all relevant to doing the job.
It's quota filling based on skin colour. That's how inclusion is being defined.

Neville Bartos wrote: ↑Wed Jul 29, 2020 10:05 pm Here is a quote from the chairman of Kick it Out championing quotas and making people 'accountable' for diversity.

"The giant leap forward is making people accountable for targets and creating targets for coaches and senior leadership - that's how you drive inclusion."

None of this has anything to do with equality of opportunity, or suitability, or quality, or qualifications, or anything at all relevant to doing the job.
It's quota filling based on skin colour. That's how inclusion is being defined.

What inclusion will achieve, will be to force wankers into unsuitable positions,which has the affect of diluting the potential capability.

How could it possibly have any other affect. It's so obvious and I can't understand why any intelligent person would promote such an idea. It's as if they don't understand why organisations are assembled and imagine it is just a collection of numbers...a philosophy of anyone can do it,so lets share it out bollocks...

Let’s face it a lot of these fuckers black and white are fucking unemployable useless wastes of space

I know chuck a few divs into the company to even the quotas regardless of nouse ,qualifications experience etc .

The company will thrive on this fucking useless exercise will it not.

BlackDiamond wrote: ↑Wed Jul 29, 2020 11:46 pm

Neville Bartos wrote: ↑Wed Jul 29, 2020 10:05 pm Here is a quote from the chairman of Kick it Out championing quotas and making people 'accountable' for diversity.

"The giant leap forward is making people accountable for targets and creating targets for coaches and senior leadership - that's how you drive inclusion."

None of this has anything to do with equality of opportunity, or suitability, or quality, or qualifications, or anything at all relevant to doing the job.
It's quota filling based on skin colour. That's how inclusion is being defined.

What inclusion will achieve, will be to force wankers into unsuitable positions,which has the affect of diluting the potential capability.

How could it possibly have any other affect. It's so obvious and I can't understand why any intelligent person would promote such an idea. It's as if they don't understand why organisations are assembled and imagine it is just a collection of numbers...a philosophy of anyone can do it,so lets share it out bollocks...

You're both right of course. And then watch the useless people who get these jobs just coz they fill a target then get the sack coz they're shit at it and then claim whatever discrimination it is they see fit for losing said job

Yet another BBC STORY.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-53503288

Don't they get it?

BLM have caused this division,nobody else.

terrya1965 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 01, 2020 10:55 am Yet another BBC STORY.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-53503288

Don't they get it?

BLM have caused this division,nobody else.

People need to be aware of what they mean by racism. Not what they think it means,but what it actually means.

So my explanation would be: racism is believing in the inferiority or superiority of a group based on race. That's it.No more no less.

The BLM lot like to go further and twist it something like this: Any societal structure that results in a racial inequality is itself racist. So what that means is any structure that results in a not exact proportion between whites and blacks is racist.

And then that logically follows that these ant-racists want to tear down all these structures. So in it's simplistic form that mean breaking stuff during a protest.

Where the challenge arises is educating those people that broadly support BLM principles to understand that personal agency is the most influential factor in determining any positive outcome. People are reluctant to get on board with that idea, because it suggests what happens to someone,happens because of that persons actions,not the actions of other people around them.

And the BLM is all about feelings and it's inconvenient that facts don't care about feelings

Never fear we may have a new coin out soon bearing the face of racist anti black and sexist Indian
Gandhi.

Fuck me

You can Hate/Dislike a Person for what they are and what they do or have done.....no more no Less...you just do not like
them, want nothing to do with them...wouldn't employ them...etc...

If that person happens to be same colour as you...it's acceptable ...that's life....if that person is a different colour...
Then you become a racist overnight...when in fact colour has fuck all to do with it....you just don't like that "Person"

Think the Racism most of us see is not so much a Colour thing more Cultural...and some of the worst Racialism I've seen in this
country has been Black/Asian Conflicts..

Was a thing on Earlier bout Joe Bidens Running mate....some saying they have to be a Black Female......
....Thats Racist and Sexiest in saying you want to Exclude White Males from your choice of candidate.....Spose
these people said ....we are only looking for White Males for this role.....be fuckin chaos.....

In the words of R. Lee Ermey, holy Jesus.
After I read this article... https://www.digitalspy.com/tv/ustv/a335 ... ntroversy/
I am fucking amazed. I've learnt that mispronouncing any BAME name is racist.
That anyone who held views that were in anyway prejudiced can't be praised for anything anymore.
And this might be the most snowflake quote I've ever read...
'Martin made a joke about the Oscar statuette not being a man and instead being a "golden eunuch", which former Best Fan Writer Hugo nominee Natalie Luhrs labelled "gender essentialist and transphobic".'
Calling a statue with no genetalia a eunuch is transphobic! What the fuck is going on? Has everyone lost their fucking minds?


I'm editing this to answer my own question.
Yes, everyone has lost their minds.
I've just read this... https://people.com/movies/zoe-saldana-a ... 16-biopic/
This is Zoe Saldana, a black woman, apologising for playing Nina Simone, a black woman, because Zoe Saldana is the wrong kind of black woman. This is the insanity that 'movements' like metoo and BLM have instigated.