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Re: English Football suspended

Post by Whiskyman » Sat May 23, 2020 4:26 pm

ToneLoc wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 12:47 pm
Ironworksfc wrote:
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He could just stay indoors for ever waiting for the magic vaccine
As in general I think the right approach is somewhere between the two extremes.
I'm not an advocate of perpetual lockdown but neither am I naive enough to suggest everything goes back to pre-pandemic at the flick of a lightswitch.

There will be some than can or cannot afford (mentally and fiscally) to socially distance over a prolonged period so each person will have a differing set of circumstances. My point being is that if you're NOT fiscally and emotionally dependent on running back into society as before then why would you take the risk just for the sake of it?

I don't know Whiskey personally but from his varying posts on here he seems a smart chap who's in a position to not have to take risks.
Not sure what you mean by risks tbh. I've retired now so I'd no longer be going to work which I guess is one risk , but I can't think of too many others that anyone needs to take. The weekly shop maybe considered a risk by some. When I used to work I was able to (and did) often work from home. I'm fortunate not to have to run back into society to support myself financially, although there are many thousands at the moment who are being denied something that is a necessity to many. However I do want to rejoin society sooner rather than later. We are basically a sociable species, not particularly enamoured of living in near isolation.

But as someone who, because of age (63 next month) is considered "vulnerable" I would be quite happy to take risks, if that is how they are perceived, to live life the way I have become accustomed to. Would I, in the present situation go to a football match and sit among thousands of other people ? No. Would I go to my local pub and socialise with people, most of whom are known to me personally ? Without a doubt. Would I happily resume coaching the kids at the local footy club ? Again yes. Would I happily take the grandchildren to the park, or to the cinema ? A no brainer. Of course I would.

Problem is with the present situation it's a one size fits all scenario. And like all such scenarios it's fucking things up for many millions of people's lives and benefiting a relatively small number. And I'm talking about important issues, not just me going down the pub, like people's livelihoods. We have to acknowledge it's a very serious disease for some. But we also have to acknowledge that 95% of people who get it don't even need medical attention. That is the perspective we seem to be missing imo.

I would expect the people who perceive themselves to be at greater risk to maybe take more precautions than others. But hasn't that always been the case with many of life's issues before this virus came along ?
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Re: English Football suspended

Post by Whiskyman » Sat May 23, 2020 4:27 pm

BlackDiamond wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 4:19 pm
Whiskyman wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 4:08 pm


Weighed against the possibility of remaining in a lockdown whereby one cannot meet friends or even family not living with you, my answer would be your assessment is basically correct. I would take my chances at living LIFE. Properly, not some artificial, restricted existence.

Or putting it another way I would back myself to be one of the 95% who catch it and don't need treatment. And if I did need treatment I would back myself, and hope, I was one of the majority who pull through.
Basically you miss the pub and without it...what's the point.
I readily admit to missing the traditional Friday night mate. ;)
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Re: English Football suspended

Post by BlackDiamond » Sat May 23, 2020 4:35 pm

ToneLoc wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 12:33 pm
Whiskyman wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 11:03 am

My personal view is that if I'm going to catch it I'm not too concerned whether I catch it next week, next month or next year.
So you're quite happy to take a chance that you may be one of the unfortunate ones who has a severe reaction and winds up dead?
Dead next week, next month or next year makes no difference to you or your family & friends?
It's funny,if the virus caused permanent blindness rather than death,then there would be very few willing to chance their arm...
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Re: English Football suspended

Post by Whiskyman » Sat May 23, 2020 4:37 pm

BlackDiamond wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 4:35 pm
ToneLoc wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 12:33 pm

So you're quite happy to take a chance that you may be one of the unfortunate ones who has a severe reaction and winds up dead?
Dead next week, next month or next year makes no difference to you or your family & friends?
It's funny,if the virus caused permanent blindness rather than death,then there would be very few willing to chance their arm...
That is actually a very good point.
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Re: English Football suspended

Post by Towie » Sat May 23, 2020 4:59 pm

Whiskyman wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 4:27 pm
BlackDiamond wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 4:19 pm

Basically you miss the pub and without it...what's the point.
I readily admit to missing the traditional Friday night mate. ;)
Ok, you personally are willing to take the risk but you could be someone who gets it and has no real symptoms. However by you carrying on as normal you might infect 10 other people, whereby maybe one of them dies because they have a severe reaction.

Funny how some are willing to take a risk but not think of the risk they put on others.

On the other hand I too am missing pub I might be tempted!
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Re: English Football suspended

Post by ToneLoc » Sat May 23, 2020 5:12 pm

Whiskyman wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 4:26 pm
ToneLoc wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 12:47 pm

As in general I think the right approach is somewhere between the two extremes.
I'm not an advocate of perpetual lockdown but neither am I naive enough to suggest everything goes back to pre-pandemic at the flick of a lightswitch.

There will be some than can or cannot afford (mentally and fiscally) to socially distance over a prolonged period so each person will have a differing set of circumstances. My point being is that if you're NOT fiscally and emotionally dependent on running back into society as before then why would you take the risk just for the sake of it?

I don't know Whiskey personally but from his varying posts on here he seems a smart chap who's in a position to not have to take risks.
Not sure what you mean by risks tbh. I've retired now so I'd no longer be going to work which I guess is one risk , but I can't think of too many others that anyone needs to take. The weekly shop maybe considered a risk by some. When I used to work I was able to (and did) often work from home. I'm fortunate not to have to run back into society to support myself financially, although there are many thousands at the moment who are being denied something that is a necessity to many. However I do want to rejoin society sooner rather than later. We are basically a sociable species, not particularly enamoured of living in near isolation.

But as someone who, because of age (63 next month) is considered "vulnerable" I would be quite happy to take risks, if that is how they are perceived, to live life the way I have become accustomed to. Would I, in the present situation go to a football match and sit among thousands of other people ? No. Would I go to my local pub and socialise with people, most of whom are known to me personally ? Without a doubt. Would I happily resume coaching the kids at the local footy club ? Again yes. Would I happily take the grandchildren to the park, or to the cinema ? A no brainer. Of course I would.

Problem is with the present situation it's a one size fits all scenario. And like all such scenarios it's fucking things up for many millions of people's lives and benefiting a relatively small number. And I'm talking about important issues, not just me going down the pub, like people's livelihoods. We have to acknowledge it's a very serious disease for some. But we also have to acknowledge that 95% of people who get it don't even need medical attention. That is the perspective we seem to be missing imo.

I would expect the people who perceive themselves to be at greater risk to maybe take more precautions than others. But hasn't that always been the case with many of life's issues before this virus came along ?
Fair points again W.
But I wouldn't be so sure about using the "95%" so literally. It's THIS percentage amongst other percentages that the government are desperately trying to understand and have openly admitted that they don't yet have access to sufficient levels of data to officially rubber stamp such figures.
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Re: English Football suspended

Post by Ironworksfc » Sat May 23, 2020 6:33 pm

Towie wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 4:59 pm
Whiskyman wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 4:27 pm


I readily admit to missing the traditional Friday night mate. ;)
Ok, you personally are willing to take the risk but you could be someone who gets it and has no real symptoms. However by you carrying on as normal you might infect 10 other people, whereby maybe one of them dies because they have a severe reaction.

Funny how some are willing to take a risk but not think of the risk they put on others.

On the other hand I too am missing pub I might be tempted!
So here is an idea and it's pretty simple, all those in a high risk category and not willing to take any risks or those too scared to go out can just stay the fuck home, it's not like they are much use to society right now.

Everyone else can, by their own choice get back to normal life and take any associated risk. If you pass it onto one of the people who decided they still have civil liberties and they die, then they paid the ultimate sacrifice by deciding not to hide away at home.
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Re: English Football suspended

Post by Towie » Sat May 23, 2020 7:27 pm

Ironworksfc wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 6:33 pm
Towie wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 4:59 pm


Ok, you personally are willing to take the risk but you could be someone who gets it and has no real symptoms. However by you carrying on as normal you might infect 10 other people, whereby maybe one of them dies because they have a severe reaction.

Funny how some are willing to take a risk but not think of the risk they put on others.

On the other hand I too am missing pub I might be tempted!
So here is an idea and it's pretty simple, all those in a high risk category and not willing to take any risks or those too scared to go out can just stay the fuck home, it's not like they are much use to society right now.

Everyone else can, by their own choice get back to normal life and take any associated risk. If you pass it onto one of the people who decided they still have civil liberties and they die, then they paid the ultimate sacrifice by deciding not to hide away at home.
Ffs, you are one cold man.

If your wife decides she is too scared using your language, but you a selfish guy go out bring home the virus through contracting it from other like minded individuals.
She turns out to be highly vulnerable?

You’re ok with that are you?

There is only an “all in” or “all out” here, no other halfway house scenarios.
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Re: English Football suspended

Post by Ironworksfc » Sat May 23, 2020 9:25 pm

Towie wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 7:27 pm
Ironworksfc wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 6:33 pm


So here is an idea and it's pretty simple, all those in a high risk category and not willing to take any risks or those too scared to go out can just stay the fuck home, it's not like they are much use to society right now.

Everyone else can, by their own choice get back to normal life and take any associated risk. If you pass it onto one of the people who decided they still have civil liberties and they die, then they paid the ultimate sacrifice by deciding not to hide away at home.
Ffs, you are one cold man.

If your wife decides she is too scared using your language, but you a selfish guy go out bring home the virus through contracting it from other like minded individuals.
She turns out to be highly vulnerable?

You’re ok with that are you?

There is only an “all in” or “all out” here, no other halfway house scenarios.
If being a realist makes me a cold man, I'm comfortable with that label.

When it comes to my wife, we are a team and I would never do anything to undermine that. Fortunately she also hasn't fallen into mass histeria.

Interestingly my eldest daughter aged 10 was randomly selected for a special testing group of 100,000 people in the UK, we should get the results soon and find out if she has had covid-19 or currently has the virus. I'm hoping the test is positive to add weight to the argument of getting back to life as normal ASAP.
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Re: English Football suspended

Post by Oziron » Sat May 23, 2020 10:17 pm

Ironworksfc wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 10:24 am
Oziron wrote:
Fri May 22, 2020 9:34 pm

Again I give you Brazil as an example of what would have happened and is still happening if UK had not gone into lockdown (even if they did 3 weeks too late).


From an article on BBC news:'Coronavirus: Brazil's death toll hits 20,000' (unfortunately link is broken)

'The number of deaths in Brazil is doubling roughly every two weeks, compared to about every two months in the UK, four months in France, and five months in Italy'.

PS...Getting your news from You Tube and Facebook doesn't make you 'free thinking'. If this is not the case then i apologise but maybe you could reference where you are getting your 'free thinking' research from....Thanks in advance
Comparing covid-19 between countries is proving to be a completely incorrect fruitless activity;

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/52311014

https://www.newscientist.com/article/22 ... t-nations/

Peter Hitchens is a good place to start if you actually take time to research things lots of spring information from numerous scientists and epidemiologists, then again you may just be another sheeple, apologies in advance of you are not.
Ah the old 'sheeple' line...A word that has come back into vogue thanks to tin hatted anti vax, anti 5G, chem trail loving conspiracy theorists...!!

As for the 2 articles you quote, I'm sure that both articles contain valid info (I read both) however that doesn't alter the fact that without any kind of lockdown or social distancing measures the spread of the virus would have continued to grow exponentially as it has done globally regardless of the countries wealth or population density.
The levels of social restrictions that a country puts in place can be debated in terms of the balance between deaths, economic hardship and the other factors that you rightly say will occur (suicide,cancer patients etc) however you started this debate by saying that this pandemic wasn't a big deal and that the virus should be left to run its course. This is what irks me. If you think that over 36 000 covid related deaths in UK is acceptable then how would you feel about that figure doubled or worse because that is what would have happened without social restrictions

As for Peter Hitchens I had never heard of him so I did what you suggested and researched him. Sounds like a right cunt...Firstly he writes for The Mail on Sunday which imho is a terrible source of factual information (It along with it's daily counterpart is nothing more than a conservative tabloid dressed up as a 'sensible' newspaper)
From what i have read about Peter he is:
Anti Vax
Anti abortion
Anti gay
Anti birth control
Anti green
Anti Islam
Pro death penalty

Sounds like a very measured, non biased source of info.........

Anyway take care mate and I am off out into the paddock for a nice feed of grass and some ewe action.... ;) ;) ;)
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