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Re: Cardiff vs West Ham Official Match Thread

Post by Mikeveep » Sun Mar 10, 2019 3:50 pm

So it was the same team that beat Newcastle last week....and whilst there's always a bit of swings and roundabouts between mid-table teams. that capitulation was not to be anticipated by us, or indeed, by Pelle.

Perhaps Pelle's insistence on attempting to play Champagne football with a team,the majority of whom are more used to a House White, can never result in consistent performances.

There is a mis-match in the attack. Whilst there a few who have a good touch,there are others who have pace but can
rarely provide a deft touch or handle a wall pass.

With those limitations our tactics should be more frequently to hit the ball into space rather than to feet. We just cant handle these elaborate build ups, which require a more technically gifted set of players.

Being in the middle of a huge makeover to any squad requires a deal of pragmatism. Mr.Pelle.

One thing...until Lanzini and Anderson are back to their best there is no room for them both to start in a game against Cardiff.
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Re: Cardiff vs West Ham Official Match Thread

Post by IronsForever » Sun Mar 10, 2019 4:04 pm

palerider wrote:
Sun Mar 10, 2019 11:14 am
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Sun Mar 10, 2019 10:41 am


Chico isn't suited to the premiership anymore. Lots of clubs play 1 striker and 2 or 3 offensive behind with 2 holding. The lone striker MUST hold onto that ball when we are moving out. he has to be able to control it and hold off the marker and lay it off to the advancing mid players. Saturday i lost count of the times we pumped the ball to him when under pressure and his marker bullied him off the ball and it came straight back.
In a physical league he is way to lightweight.Not too bad at home when you are attacking more and he receives the ball near the box but away at Cardiff it was like playing with 10 men and no striker.
When your striker doesnt get one shot off at goal away from home and thats not the first time lol you kinda have to realize it's not working and let him go.
Should have started with Antonio up top. He has everything Chico doesn't outside the box. Can provide a physical presence, has pace to shrug off a marker and can hol onto the ball longer than 3 seconds. I know he put a shot on the roof but at least his pace allows him to get into that pocket of space unlike Hernandes.. 140 grand a week no wonder Arnie threw his toys out the pram.
Lanzini got caught a few times and was deffo struggling to keep up with play.No way he is match fit yet. Anderson was man marked and had no where to go. Cardiff did a number on us like Brighton and Burnley did.
I don't get the reluctance to start with Arnautovic tbh.

Is he not 100% fit ?

Is he still being 'punished' ?

Are the club protecting him with a view to a summer sale ?

Or does Pellegrini genuinely feel Hernandez is a better option ?

it must be one of the above.
Probably just a case of stropping around in training not giving 100%.
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Re: Cardiff vs West Ham Official Match Thread

Post by andyginbrasil » Sun Mar 10, 2019 4:31 pm

palerider wrote:
Sun Mar 10, 2019 11:14 am


I don't get the reluctance to start with Arnautovic tbh.

Is he not 100% fit ?

Is he still being 'punished' ?

Are the club protecting him with a view to a summer sale ?

Or does Pellegrini genuinely feel Hernandez is a better option ?

it must be one of the above.
Because he is a stroppy cunt who always wants his own way.
Didn't like the fact that other players were getting the accolade that he received last year, he is now not the fans favorite so decided to chuck in that Chinese transfer crap. The desired effect was completely the reverse of what he was expecting. The fans did not go into meltdown and demand that he stays, majority said sell the cunt. He is a cancer in the team, and the other players seem to be effected by his presence on the field, and not in a good way. The manager has put him in his place and he doesn't like it, attitude problem, big ego and the right to start has now been quashed, he deserves to start when the manager thinks he is good enough, mentally. At this moment he is sulking and until he can get away from this he will be sitting on the bench. He has only scored 7 goals this season, hardly a solid case to play him regardless of his attitude.
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Re: Cardiff vs West Ham Official Match Thread

Post by palerider » Sun Mar 10, 2019 6:36 pm

andyginbrasil wrote:
Sun Mar 10, 2019 4:31 pm
palerider wrote:
Sun Mar 10, 2019 11:14 am


I don't get the reluctance to start with Arnautovic tbh.

Is he not 100% fit ?

Is he still being 'punished' ?

Are the club protecting him with a view to a summer sale ?

Or does Pellegrini genuinely feel Hernandez is a better option ?

it must be one of the above.
Because he is a stroppy cunt who always wants his own way.
Didn't like the fact that other players were getting the accolade that he received last year, he is now not the fans favorite so decided to chuck in that Chinese transfer crap. The desired effect was completely the reverse of what he was expecting. The fans did not go into meltdown and demand that he stays, majority said sell the cunt. He is a cancer in the team, and the other players seem to be effected by his presence on the field, and not in a good way. The manager has put him in his place and he doesn't like it, attitude problem, big ego and the right to start has now been quashed, he deserves to start when the manager thinks he is good enough, mentally. At this moment he is sulking and until he can get away from this he will be sitting on the bench. He has only scored 7 goals this season, hardly a solid case to play him regardless of his attitude.
Ok, fine. I get that.

But Antonio up front is a better option than Hernandez.
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Re: Cardiff vs West Ham Official Match Thread

Post by andyginbrasil » Sun Mar 10, 2019 6:52 pm

palerider wrote:
Sun Mar 10, 2019 6:36 pm
andyginbrasil wrote:
Sun Mar 10, 2019 4:31 pm


Because he is a stroppy cunt who always wants his own way.
Didn't like the fact that other players were getting the accolade that he received last year, he is now not the fans favorite so decided to chuck in that Chinese transfer crap. The desired effect was completely the reverse of what he was expecting. The fans did not go into meltdown and demand that he stays, majority said sell the cunt. He is a cancer in the team, and the other players seem to be effected by his presence on the field, and not in a good way. The manager has put him in his place and he doesn't like it, attitude problem, big ego and the right to start has now been quashed, he deserves to start when the manager thinks he is good enough, mentally. At this moment he is sulking and until he can get away from this he will be sitting on the bench. He has only scored 7 goals this season, hardly a solid case to play him regardless of his attitude.
Ok, fine. I get that.

But Antonio up front is a better option than Hernandez.
Yep........


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Re: Cardiff vs West Ham Official Match Thread

Post by BCHammer » Mon Mar 11, 2019 1:19 am

palerider wrote:
Sun Mar 10, 2019 11:14 am
I don't get the reluctance to start with Arnautovic tbh.

Is he not 100% fit ?

Is he still being 'punished' ?

Are the club protecting him with a view to a summer sale ?

Or does Pellegrini genuinely feel Hernandez is a better option ?

it must be one of the above.
I've been thinking about that too.

My conclusion is it's a combination of Pelle has to show who is boss to Arnie & keep Chicharito happy.

Arnie first. I bet Pelle feels undermined in the whole thing with the dwarf coming in and giving him a new deal. The only way he can continue to show his authority is by putting him on the bench, even if it is to the detriment of the best starting XI & 3 pts. No one is bigger than the club, even the best player and any billy big bollocks gets put in their place. That he does come on as a sub says to me that he is actually invaluable and it's a compromise until enough water has passed under the bridge. Arnie is not at his swashbuckling best, we can't comment on the injuries, but the original omission from the squad was entirely of his own doing and he shouldn't just walk back into the team.

As an aside, theres an interview with Pam on Soccer AM which has to be recent, and he insists Arnie is the biggest joker and life and soul of the party, even though there are known jokers & banterers like Nobes, Antonio, Cress & Carroll. Thought that was an interesting insight.

Pelle clearly likes to give players a chance, ie Carroll. He persevered with him in different types of games and has probably proved that he is surplus to requirements.

Back to Chicharito. He too was unhappy and wanted to leave and didn't / couldn't. While different than Arnie, there is still a type of cancer in the dressing room, but Pelle approached it in a totally different away as he is a different character. Complete with the money he is on and lack of other options, Pelle also gave him his chance as he did AC. He took it reasonably well and there was some credence to the argument not to change a winning side and for him to start.

Fair and disciplined management from Pelle.

That's what I see happening.

But sometimes you have to make a call and be prepared to bite the bullet, accept the gamble didn't work and change it early. He did at HT, but while Pam also should not have stated, for him to get the hook instead of Chicharito - who then stayed on for the duration - was bizarre.

I guess it's a fine line between respecting your principles, being fair and doing what is best to try and win each game. At some point you cut off your nose to spite your face, do you lose to teams like Cardiff and miss out on 7th to make a point to Arnie that he has been a 24 carat asshole? Same situation Sarri found himself in with Kepa - discipline the brat and play Caballero and concede 3 goals a game.

Ultimately making decisions that are detrimental to the ability to win are more important than morals or ethics and it is the manager who pays when bad results and performances pile up. Do you continue to try prove a point to Arnie or miss out on Europe? I know what I want.
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Re: Cardiff vs West Ham Official Match Thread

Post by coburn » Mon Mar 11, 2019 7:37 am

Two days gone and i still can´t understand this performance from the whole team apart from Fab. :shock:

It´s so typical West Ham.

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Re: Cardiff vs West Ham Official Match Thread

Post by ToneLoc » Mon Mar 11, 2019 9:50 am

Mikeveep wrote:
Sun Mar 10, 2019 3:50 pm
So it was the same team that beat Newcastle last week....and whilst there's always a bit of swings and roundabouts between mid-table teams. that capitulation was not to be anticipated by us, or indeed, by Pelle.

Perhaps Pelle's insistence on attempting to play Champagne football with a team,the majority of whom are more used to a House White, can never result in consistent performances.

There is a mis-match in the attack. Whilst there a few who have a good touch,there are others who have pace but can
rarely provide a deft touch or handle a wall pass.

With those limitations our tactics should be more frequently to hit the ball into space rather than to feet. We just cant handle these elaborate build ups, which require a more technically gifted set of players.

Being in the middle of a huge makeover to any squad requires a deal of pragmatism. Mr.Pelle.

One thing...until Lanzini and Anderson are back to their best there is no room for them both to start in a game against Cardiff.
Points nailed Mike.
“Champagne football when a bit of house white is needed” probably underlines much of the consistency issues which in turn seem to driven by an arrogant swagger that we’re nowhere near good enough to have. Too often we look like an average looking lady trying to strut like a supermodel.
MP won’t change, maybe doesn’t know how to change this approach to accommodate the more limited elements of the squad.
He’ll keep waiting until the limited elements of the squad are addressed.
Which brings us back to Mr Sullivan.........
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Re: Cardiff vs West Ham Official Match Thread

Post by palerider » Mon Mar 11, 2019 9:57 am

ToneLoc wrote:
Mon Mar 11, 2019 9:50 am
Mikeveep wrote:
Sun Mar 10, 2019 3:50 pm
So it was the same team that beat Newcastle last week....and whilst there's always a bit of swings and roundabouts between mid-table teams. that capitulation was not to be anticipated by us, or indeed, by Pelle.

Perhaps Pelle's insistence on attempting to play Champagne football with a team,the majority of whom are more used to a House White, can never result in consistent performances.

There is a mis-match in the attack. Whilst there a few who have a good touch,there are others who have pace but can
rarely provide a deft touch or handle a wall pass.

With those limitations our tactics should be more frequently to hit the ball into space rather than to feet. We just cant handle these elaborate build ups, which require a more technically gifted set of players.

Being in the middle of a huge makeover to any squad requires a deal of pragmatism. Mr.Pelle.

One thing...until Lanzini and Anderson are back to their best there is no room for them both to start in a game against Cardiff.
Points nailed Mike.
“Champagne football when a bit of house white is needed” probably underlines much of the consistency issues which in turn seem to driven by an arrogant swagger that we’re nowhere near good enough to have. Too often we look like an average looking lady trying to strut like a supermodel.
MP won’t change, maybe doesn’t know how to change this approach to accommodate the more limited elements of the squad.
He’ll keep waiting until the limited elements of the squad are addressed.
Which brings us back to Mr Sullivan.........
Well if der Fuhrer is right, nothing much will change and we'll see a constant cycle of guessing which West Ham will turn up.
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Re: Cardiff vs West Ham Official Match Thread

Post by jameskel » Mon Mar 11, 2019 10:01 am

"The West Ham way"
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