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Re: The worm is turning

Post by 21212 » Tue Aug 13, 2019 10:58 am

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Re: The worm is turning

Post by h69 » Tue Aug 13, 2019 11:23 am

21212 wrote:
Tue Aug 13, 2019 10:25 am
Just a few posts from the page Iinked.
You boys need glasses.



He needs to up his game, no doubt about it. In the equivalent to half a premier league season he’s got 3 goals/assists, there’s no way to dress that up, it’s a really rather poor return for a player of his ability. I mean Rice has 2 over the same period!
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Whilst I except stats can be misleading, I do think for an attacking midfielder assist and goal stats are quite a good measure of performance, unlike say clearance stats for defenders.

I’d also argue that for every time Anderson does something similar to the above, there are enough times were he just gives the ball away in a very lackadaisical manner to counteract the benefits of his play not captured by the stats.

He needs to up his game, no doubt about it. In the equivalent to half a premier league season he’s got 3 goals/assists, there’s no way to dress that up, it’s a really rather poor return for a player of his ability. I mean Rice has 2 over the same period!



Fair points :thup:

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I follow a guy called ratfootalex on Twitter who is a West Ham fan and heavily into analytics.
He has made a claim that despite his trickery and fleet of foot, Anderson eventually loses possession just over 80% of the time, his point being that there is little point in beating a couple of players running half the length of the pitch and then passing to the full back instead of one of your own.
These sort of analytics can be misleading though, you could argue that at least he is beating a couple of players and moving the ball 30 meters further forward. You could also argue that the problem might be that the rest of the team cant keep up and therefore its not his fault if the final ball is wasted.
Either way he is an enigma, you can see why no top six team would come in for him

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mentioned in February I thought he used his possession well only 25% of the time.

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Seems to play within himself, more eye of the Tiger needed
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I’d certainly rather he be in the side, but there were times yesterday where Fredericks had the ball and he was ushering Anderson to get down the line or at least run ahead of him and he didn’t. He preferred to let Fredericks overtake him on the inside.

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Postby Up the Junction on Mon Aug 12, 2019 12:04 pm

A few comments on Saturday from our expensive Brazilian here:

https://www.kumb.com/story.php?id=133772
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This happens so often with most of our attacking players and has been the same for years. We're better than we ever have been of transitioning between defence and attack and getting out of tight spots (because of the pace of Anderson, Antonio etc) but the final ball is so often complete and utter *****.
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His desire to stand about 40 yards from goal and saunter forward, followed by a lay-off to someone moving or attempting an ambitious pass, is a very frustrating habit."

Your writer has put it far more eloquently then I could.

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by johnnyb on Mon Aug 12, 2019 2:23 pm

I want him to be a success, I really do. However, he frustrated me no end last season. For a lot of last season imo he did not look a 40 mil player. A year in, on Saturday I saw much the same. To me he does not seem even to have the desire to influence our attacking play. I sincerely hope that time will tell I have misjudged him but so far he has largely been a big let down. He needs shaking up.
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Denzil on Mon Aug 12, 2019 3:25 pm

I'm with Johnny B. Very seldom do I walk away having been impressed by him.

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He doesn’t have the craft to be a number 10. He also gives the ball away far to often!
I can see him losing his place in the side once yarmalenko and Fornals are up to speed.
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I can understand why he angers people as can be careless with the ball wheres the top sides respect possession far more.
KUMB and sense in the same sentence :roll:

Whilst I except stats can be misleading, I do think for an attacking midfielder assist and goal stats are quite a good measure of performance, unlike say clearance stats for defenders

On the above point, I wonder if anyone has read 'The Artist'....the book about Andres Iniesta. In there they point out that he rarely scores and his assist stats are pretty average but he is widely regarded as one of the greatest players to have played the game there because of his way of gelling the team
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Re: The worm is turning

Post by 21212 » Tue Aug 13, 2019 11:32 am

h69 wrote:
Tue Aug 13, 2019 11:23 am
21212 wrote:
Tue Aug 13, 2019 10:25 am
Just a few posts from the page Iinked.
You boys need glasses.



He needs to up his game, no doubt about it. In the equivalent to half a premier league season he’s got 3 goals/assists, there’s no way to dress that up, it’s a really rather poor return for a player of his ability. I mean Rice has 2 over the same period!
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Whilst I except stats can be misleading, I do think for an attacking midfielder assist and goal stats are quite a good measure of performance, unlike say clearance stats for defenders.

I’d also argue that for every time Anderson does something similar to the above, there are enough times were he just gives the ball away in a very lackadaisical manner to counteract the benefits of his play not captured by the stats.

He needs to up his game, no doubt about it. In the equivalent to half a premier league season he’s got 3 goals/assists, there’s no way to dress that up, it’s a really rather poor return for a player of his ability. I mean Rice has 2 over the same period!



Fair points :thup:

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I follow a guy called ratfootalex on Twitter who is a West Ham fan and heavily into analytics.
He has made a claim that despite his trickery and fleet of foot, Anderson eventually loses possession just over 80% of the time, his point being that there is little point in beating a couple of players running half the length of the pitch and then passing to the full back instead of one of your own.
These sort of analytics can be misleading though, you could argue that at least he is beating a couple of players and moving the ball 30 meters further forward. You could also argue that the problem might be that the rest of the team cant keep up and therefore its not his fault if the final ball is wasted.
Either way he is an enigma, you can see why no top six team would come in for him

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mentioned in February I thought he used his possession well only 25% of the time.

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Seems to play within himself, more eye of the Tiger needed
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I’d certainly rather he be in the side, but there were times yesterday where Fredericks had the ball and he was ushering Anderson to get down the line or at least run ahead of him and he didn’t. He preferred to let Fredericks overtake him on the inside.

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Postby Up the Junction on Mon Aug 12, 2019 12:04 pm

A few comments on Saturday from our expensive Brazilian here:

https://www.kumb.com/story.php?id=133772
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This happens so often with most of our attacking players and has been the same for years. We're better than we ever have been of transitioning between defence and attack and getting out of tight spots (because of the pace of Anderson, Antonio etc) but the final ball is so often complete and utter *****.
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His desire to stand about 40 yards from goal and saunter forward, followed by a lay-off to someone moving or attempting an ambitious pass, is a very frustrating habit."

Your writer has put it far more eloquently then I could.

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by johnnyb on Mon Aug 12, 2019 2:23 pm

I want him to be a success, I really do. However, he frustrated me no end last season. For a lot of last season imo he did not look a 40 mil player. A year in, on Saturday I saw much the same. To me he does not seem even to have the desire to influence our attacking play. I sincerely hope that time will tell I have misjudged him but so far he has largely been a big let down. He needs shaking up.
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Denzil on Mon Aug 12, 2019 3:25 pm

I'm with Johnny B. Very seldom do I walk away having been impressed by him.

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He doesn’t have the craft to be a number 10. He also gives the ball away far to often!
I can see him losing his place in the side once yarmalenko and Fornals are up to speed.
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I can understand why he angers people as can be careless with the ball wheres the top sides respect possession far more.
KUMB and sense in the same sentence :roll:

Whilst I except stats can be misleading, I do think for an attacking midfielder assist and goal stats are quite a good measure of performance, unlike say clearance stats for defenders

On the above point, I wonder if anyone has read 'The Artist'....the book about Andres Iniesta. In there they point out that he rarely scores and his assist stats are pretty average but he is widely regarded as one of the greatest players to have played the game there because of his way of gelling the team
So, Anderson gels the team together :lol: :lol:
He did that well against City!
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Re: The worm is turning

Post by h69 » Tue Aug 13, 2019 11:41 am

21212 wrote:
Tue Aug 13, 2019 11:32 am
h69 wrote:
Tue Aug 13, 2019 11:23 am


KUMB and sense in the same sentence :roll:

Whilst I except stats can be misleading, I do think for an attacking midfielder assist and goal stats are quite a good measure of performance, unlike say clearance stats for defenders

On the above point, I wonder if anyone has read 'The Artist'....the book about Andres Iniesta. In there they point out that he rarely scores and his assist stats are pretty average but he is widely regarded as one of the greatest players to have played the game there because of his way of gelling the team
So, Anderson gels the team together :lol: :lol:
He did that well against City!
I don't remember saying that. Can you find where I did, there is a good lad. He is a winger anyway.
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Re: The worm is turning

Post by 21212 » Tue Aug 13, 2019 11:44 am

h69 wrote:
Tue Aug 13, 2019 11:41 am
21212 wrote:
Tue Aug 13, 2019 11:32 am


So, Anderson gels the team together :lol: :lol:
He did that well against City!
I don't remember saying that. Can you find where I did, there is a good lad. He is a winger anyway.
So, you have basically just stated that you posted a statement that has no relevance to the thread.
Nice one.
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Re: The worm is turning

Post by h69 » Tue Aug 13, 2019 2:22 pm

21212 wrote:
Tue Aug 13, 2019 11:44 am
h69 wrote:
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I don't remember saying that. Can you find where I did, there is a good lad. He is a winger anyway.
So, you have basically just stated that you posted a statement that has no relevance to the thread.
Nice one.
I didnt say that either. I think you are in a parallel universe....while looking for the other one, where did I say that ?

In case you are seriously struggling, I clicked the link you provided and the first statement I saw from your friends at KUMB was a statement that if you applied to Iniesta makes him an average player. Its clearly bollocks and goes to the credibility of what your mates said that you felt needed posting.

....or are you implying Iniesta was a shit footballer ?
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Re: The worm is turning

Post by Dwayne Pipes » Tue Aug 13, 2019 4:28 pm

One decent game in six or eight don’t cut the mustard for me I’m afraid.
Very overrated.
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Re: The worm is turning

Post by Towie » Tue Aug 13, 2019 7:11 pm

He gets people of their seats, watching him dribbling with them ball or flicking it past the fullback gets the crowd going.
If he was more like sterling, Mahrez etc, he wouldn’t be at our club would he?

He would walk into any other team in premier league except the top 6 for me.
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