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Re: Protest Details.

Post by h69 » Wed Mar 18, 2020 4:27 pm

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I believe we are the 16th richest club in the world and spent the 18th most money in the last 6 years. the spending is not the problem....it is what we do with it.

The manager takes responsibility for that but lets be honest, many on here were raving about us buying Haller for 40m rather than Gomez. It seemed the right move but it didnt work out. That is football, it is never predictable.
Ok....so then you can say the manager is not good enough but is finding the right one so easy....if it were, why did it take Liverpool 30 years to do it and Man Utd probably have the wrong one still.

Disagreement is fine but some expect everyone to fall into line. That is my issue with the HU brigade.

I am not suggesting it is not unreasonable to finish in the top 10 but to guarantee it ? And march everytime the team does not finish in the top 10 ?

Just sounds like a bunch of crybabies that cant accept results.
your overall spend figure is very selective. go do the math, taking into account player sales and upton park sale. they have spent very little and are skimming this club nicely, like mike ashley. if they choose to pay very average players top wages, this goes back to my 'board under-performance' comments.
Not my overall spend number but released by the Prem in December for Net spend up to last season. (5 years). there is a 6 year one where it is higher but I cant find that.

Made every news outlet I think : Player Sales v Player Purchases makes the Net Spend number so the club has to make that number up unless it it is negative like Sotons was a few years ago. We are about 18th in the world I think, 7th in PL.

I dont doubt we should be higher but I guess most clubs would say the same and there is no magic bullet but I wonder why we are the only fans who are marching.

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Doesnt include Wages. You have to assume that wages are high enough for the player to want to come. If they are higher then it it is foolish but still comes out of the club coffers.

Its all much of a muchness after the first couple of teams but the issue is that we have yet to find a manager to build a team that is capable of playing together. However, I am not sure that is always easy to do. I always thought Pellegrini and Emery would do well but both failed last season tactically with the PL. I hear people calling for Eddie Howe but he failed with Burnley and I am not convinced he would be successful at WHU.

Thats what was so great about football in the past, you never really knew what that formula should be but now the winners are Mega rich and the other 90% of the league are constantly trying to find the right formula.

If finishing 7th was as easy as having the 7th biggest Net Spend and it was obvious which manager would guarantee it, dont you think everyone would be doing it.

Everton may have the right manager but will they now consistently finish 5th ? Unlikely I would guess. Brighton and Arsenal ?

Here is another released last summer. This is the last 10 seasons in world football

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Oh and it is Maths not Math unless you are American.....just joking, keep your hair on :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Protest Details.

Post by Newmarket » Wed Mar 18, 2020 8:20 pm

Christ not another septic ffs :D
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Re: Protest Details.

Post by Newmarket » Wed Mar 18, 2020 8:43 pm

By the way ( I hate that tune ) , let’s no forget , those 2 shysters only spent biggish when Pellegrini first came due to the initial , spontaneous , protests at that infamous Burnley game so it could be argued that protests DO or CAN succeed to a point and those tables inflate what was a good few years of under investment previously so I wonder what they would show without that particular summer window included.

The Bond scheme was abandoned because of protests as well though I don’t remember an actual march then , Woo will correct me if I’m wrong I expect .

At the end of the day , even if the net spend (on players) is half respectable , we all know it’s the now apparent lack of investment elsewhere throughout the club structure (facilities , scouting etc) which will be the gruesome twosome’s long term legacy .

They can’t blame that on FFP can they ? Or the lies and Bullshit .

AND the sale of Upton Park looks decidedly dodgy to me .
If I was looking for dirt that’s the first place I’d look .

That and Brady’s gusset :lol:
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Re: Protest Details.

Post by Parry Hotter » Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:19 pm

Newmarket wrote:
Wed Mar 18, 2020 8:43 pm
By the way ( I hate that tune ) , let’s no forget , those 2 shysters only spent biggish when Pellegrini first came due to the initial , spontaneous , protests at that infamous Burnley game so it could be argued that protests DO or CAN succeed to a point and those tables inflate what was a good few years of under investment previously so I wonder what they would show without that particular summer window included.

The Bond scheme was abandoned because of protests as well though I don’t remember an actual march then , Woo will correct me if I’m wrong I expect .

At the end of the day , even if the net spend (on players) is half respectable , we all know it’s the now apparent lack of investment elsewhere throughout the club structure (facilities , scouting etc) which will be the gruesome twosome’s long term legacy .

They can’t blame that on FFP can they ? Or the lies and Bullshit .

AND the sale of Upton Park looks decidedly dodgy to me .
If I was looking for dirt that’s the first place I’d look .

That and Brady’s gusset :lol:
How waas the burnley protest a success. We was in a relegation fight when it happened and were in the same shit now. What changed is we spent a few quid on players who were now all slagging off. We got a manager who everyone said was great and then started slagging off when he proved he werent. Fucking hell if thats success I dont want to see what you reckon is fucking failing .

A few people have said the only thing that makes sen se and the Hammers Un ited lot dont seem to get it. If weve got an old motor to shift we aint going to shift it till someone comes along and buys it. Same as a footy club.
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Re: Protest Details.

Post by Newmarket » Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:56 pm

Parry Hotter wrote:
Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:19 pm
Newmarket wrote:
Wed Mar 18, 2020 8:43 pm
By the way ( I hate that tune ) , let’s no forget , those 2 shysters only spent biggish when Pellegrini first came due to the initial , spontaneous , protests at that infamous Burnley game so it could be argued that protests DO or CAN succeed to a point and those tables inflate what was a good few years of under investment previously so I wonder what they would show without that particular summer window included.

The Bond scheme was abandoned because of protests as well though I don’t remember an actual march then , Woo will correct me if I’m wrong I expect .

At the end of the day , even if the net spend (on players) is half respectable , we all know it’s the now apparent lack of investment elsewhere throughout the club structure (facilities , scouting etc) which will be the gruesome twosome’s long term legacy .

They can’t blame that on FFP can they ? Or the lies and Bullshit .

AND the sale of Upton Park looks decidedly dodgy to me .
If I was looking for dirt that’s the first place I’d look .

That and Brady’s gusset :lol:
How waas the burnley protest a success
Do you think those 2 Cunts would have brought in Pellegrini or spent a net £80m if those Burnley protests hadn’t happened ?

They only spent that money , the clubs money not theirs , to shut the dissenters up.

The fact that Pellegrini was shit and the money was poorly spent is neither here nor there.

So yes the Burnley protest was a resounding success . No protest no spend simple.

What they should have done is spend that money during the summer of the move to capitalise on the Payet season which , with a bit more luck would have put us into the champions league .

What was it John Lyall was told in 1986 ?

“You’ve just finished third in the league . Why on EARTH would you need new players ? “.

Very West Ham.
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Re: Protest Details.

Post by Parry Hotter » Wed Mar 18, 2020 10:58 pm

Newmarket wrote:
Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:56 pm
Parry Hotter wrote:
Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:19 pm


How waas the burnley protest a success
Do you think those 2 Cunts would have brought in Pellegrini or spent a net £80m if those Burnley protests hadn’t happened ?

They only spent that money , the clubs money not theirs , to shut the dissenters up.

The fact that Pellegrini was shit and the money was poorly spent is neither here nor there.

So yes the Burnley protest was a resounding success . No protest no spend simple.

What they should have done is spend that money during the summer of the move to capitalise on the Payet season which , with a bit more luck would have put us into the champions league .

What was it John Lyall was told in 1986 ?

“You’ve just finished third in the league . Why on EARTH would you need new players ? “.

Very West Ham.
So what you saying is that if we spend money thats ok even if we still get in a relegation fight. And I aint as clever as some of you cunts on here but you say it aint there money its the clubs. But as they own the club the clubs money is theres aint it. And if John Lyall was told that in 1986 dont it just show the shitcunt club has always been run the same way. If it aint changed for over 30 years it aint going to change now is my take on it mate.
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Re: Protest Details.

Post by h69 » Thu Mar 19, 2020 12:08 am

Newmarket wrote:
Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:56 pm
Parry Hotter wrote:
Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:19 pm


How waas the burnley protest a success
Do you think those 2 Cunts would have brought in Pellegrini or spent a net £80m if those Burnley protests hadn’t happened ?
Actually I do. They wanted to appoint Rafa Benitez but he got an offer from Real Madrid. He was actually at the club and agreed a deal in principle. I know that all too well and personally I would have preferred him to Pellegrini even though I was quite happy with Pelle initially.

Yes the last summer inflates it a bit but did us fuck all good. we have always signed shit players as the next best thing. I remember David Kelly (who Bayern Munich supposedly wanted)

Agree about the sale of UP though.
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Re: Protest Details.

Post by andyginbrasil » Thu Mar 19, 2020 12:09 am

h69 wrote:
Wed Mar 18, 2020 4:27 pm


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I was going to keep out of this but I can't............ :lol:

The interesting one is the 10 year table as it fits in with the reign of Sullivan and Gold, and shows perfectly how badly the club is run and why the club is in the state it is........hence the protests.

Forget the last two years where Sullivan was not involved with the transfers....where 190 million was spent and 62 million recouped. So a net spend of 128 million...The players brought in such as Haller, Fornals, Diop, Balbuena, Anderson, Yarmmy, Fredericks, Ajeti most are still worth what we paid for them with the likes of Fornals, Diop Fredericks and Balbuena will turn in a healthy profit if sold......Good business...( this net spend includes Bowen at 20 million).

That leaves us with the grand total of a net spend over their first 8 years as owners of .....62 million quid...7.75 million per year......now remember that figure, includes players such as Andy Carroll who cost 15 million, and went for nothing, Jose Fonte, bought for 8 million sold for 5 million the following season. Valencia bought for 13.5 million sold for 5 million, Hernandez bought for 16 million....sold for 7 million. ( Trust me there are many, many more)

So what does that tell us about how the club is run....just those 4 players cost 52.5 million and we recouped 17 million now does that show a net spend on those 4 players as 35.5 million or does it show how badly Sullivan is at running a club that the net spend is actually a 35.5 million loss to the club because he hasn't got a clue and refuses to use a DOF or scouts, who might of turned a loss into profit, by scouting and discovering players such as Diop and I think Fornals as well, into double your money players, in the future.....Now that's just his transfer dealings....he has probably cost the club 60-70 million over those 8 years in bad transfer deals, ( and that's not including his pathetic loan deals that have cost us millions).....worth protesting about on it's own, no....but add.....

All the other lies, and make no mistake they were lies regarding

Where we will be in the future, world class team, world class stadium.....now add

The move to the LS was based on lies and greed.....80% wanted the move... :lol: :lol:
Sale of Upton Park....most of us suspect that it was a dodgy deal.....and he will be found out
Personal investment into the club he loves... :lol: ...Has cost the club 20 million to date in interest charges

It just goes on and on...and financially he has stifled the club.

Now it's worth protesting about....he has ruined the history and maybe the future of the club, your club, and turned us into a laughing stock among'st other supporters and worst of all causing us to fight among ourselves.......Now that is unacceptable.
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Re: Protest Details.

Post by h69 » Thu Mar 19, 2020 12:15 am

Parry Hotter wrote:
Wed Mar 18, 2020 10:58 pm
Newmarket wrote:
Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:56 pm


Do you think those 2 Cunts would have brought in Pellegrini or spent a net £80m if those Burnley protests hadn’t happened ?

They only spent that money , the clubs money not theirs , to shut the dissenters up.

The fact that Pellegrini was shit and the money was poorly spent is neither here nor there.

So yes the Burnley protest was a resounding success . No protest no spend simple.

What they should have done is spend that money during the summer of the move to capitalise on the Payet season which , with a bit more luck would have put us into the champions league .

What was it John Lyall was told in 1986 ?

“You’ve just finished third in the league . Why on EARTH would you need new players ? “.

Very West Ham.
So what you saying is that if we spend money thats ok even if we still get in a relegation fight. And I aint as clever as some of you cunts on here but you say it aint there money its the clubs. But as they own the club the clubs money is theres aint it. And if John Lyall was told that in 1986 dont it just show the shitcunt club has always been run the same way. If it aint changed for over 30 years it aint going to change now is my take on it mate.
Its very confusing (not you).

One poster wants guaranteed top 10 or above regardless
Others appear to just want more and more money spent and that we dont spend enough
Others think we spent loads but we recoup very little and get bad value. Basically we spent too much on the wrong players.

For me I agree on the last one especially and Andy is right but then when we did have a DoF we have also signed some disasters under him also. Haller was not worth what we paid for him, Anderson also. Neither was Hernandez even worth the 7m we got for him as Valencia found out.
I like Fornals as a player myself but look at the support our fans gave him after 2 or 3 games FFS

None are unreasonable aims but if that is the benchmark for actually marching then they may be all slightly contradictory :lol:

And you are right PH, the club has always been the same, remember Rio being sold ?
Manny Omoyimni ? Harry quitting because we were selling a fullback without telling him ?

where was the march then ? Apparently only now do our fans seem to feel entitled all the time.

Its fine to aim high but I am not sure everyone cares as much about the football as much as the protests to be honest.
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Re: Protest Details.

Post by h69 » Thu Mar 19, 2020 12:21 am

Newmarket wrote:
Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:56 pm
Parry Hotter wrote:
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How waas the burnley protest a success
The fact that Pellegrini was shit and the money was poorly spent is neither here nor there.
Not picking on you Newmarket but the above line shows that the whole protest thing bears no logic if that is the attitude of HU

That a manager (who many wanted) spent a load of money (that people wanted) on a load of players and then tactically fucked up and nearly got us relegated (and may still yet be the cause of such) and is not relevant ??? really ?? .....What is ? Popcorn ?

Where did all the people that actually cared about the actual football go ?

Good luck with your protest ! :o
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