brookingslovechild wrote:h69 wrote:
In fact it was interesting to hear the press talking about this and pretty much echoing what you just said on the Sunday Supplement yesterday. Apparently these were the same press that everyone agreed with when the shambles at Burnley happened last season.
The fact is that there are some on here that think that if you dont feel suicidal because we have not won any of our first 4 games you think everything is 'dandy'.
In reality it is somewhere in between. A poor start but a long way to go yet. I dont think we will really see the team play well until December. I thought that originally in the summer, I still do.
As Martin Samuel and the others were saying yesterday, if you change the mentality of the team and completely alter the way they play and think then this takes time but it would be sad for a team not to be ambitious because the fans dont have the patience.
Makes me laugh. Many of the people on here melting down when Moyes and Allardyce were in charge wanted a complete change of mentality and playing style yet expect it to start producing results instantly. When it doesnt, they are melting again. Preseason will not achieve that as you give everyone a game.
4 games FFS....as the OP says, get a grip. I wonder where all the supporters are gone these days as I see no support now, just an expectation that we need to be winning playing expansive football instantly.
Support means exactly that, not screaming abuse at the players, manager and each other because we have not won the first 4 games, two of which we have only once won both of in the last 50 years. The players look terrified playing at home in front of our supporters
Palace last season tried the same, the same thing happened in the first four games so they changed their minds and got Roy in, another defensive coach. They stayed up but they are a defensive team and almost never win when Zaha is not playing. The stats are stunning in that regard. Is that what people want to happen, that we abandon a project already ?
Me, I think it is worth sticking with right now but if at Christmas it still doesnt work then maybe we need to change.
Despite what Castiron thinks, I dont have an issue with people being pessimistic as it is as much a part of the modern Sky era football now as Friday night games and not just at our club but all clubs but I do think some realism needs applying here sometimes.
some interesting points H and i tend to fall on the side of the pessimist (actually scrap that i am a pessimist when it comes to whu).
I frankly love the optimist's amongst this board, it give me a chink of light that maybe im wrong to be so down about my team every frickin weekend ....and then we are shit again and im back to being an angry pessimist.
i remember not many years ago people talking about how few managers west ham had employed over the past 40 years, it seems we have caught the same bug as many other teams in trying to find a immediate solution to our constant woes.
So im gonna try and get on board with the stick with pelli and try and change the culture of the club. I gotta be honest for a pessimist such as me , im stuck with the possible question of would i take relegation and changing our culture to come back stronger or hoof him and hope to stay in the prem....not much of a choice really.
but lets give a whirl, eveton -0 west ham -6......and the start of something special....(just typing that is already causing me anxiety ).
Is it pessimism or is it just the fact that we just go from one disaster to another, and people are just venting there anger at a totally inept board?