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Re: The Mogg is circling...

Post by Neville Bartos » Fri Jun 07, 2019 1:18 pm

palerider wrote:
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No deal isn't much of a bargaining chip, strong or otherwise. Unless you believe cutting off your nose to spite your face is a reasonable position.
One thing is guaranteed though, the Tories will fuck things up. Johnson and Gove are the favourites for fuck sake.
Looking down the list of candidates is pretty sobering. Is this really the best of the best of Conservative politics? Even the inoffensive Rory Stewart appears to be a simpering, spineless bellend.

I actually read an article that, with no sense of irony, stated Boris was the man to restore trust and confidence in British politics. That's what passes for journalism these day. :lol:
I'm looking at it from the Tories' point of view Nev and which is the lesser of two evils ?

No Deal with all it's problems or Corbyn in No.10.

The centre-ground who did so well in the EU elections will, imo, crumble at a General Election. Change UK, that laughable bunch formed in February have already imploded. When push comes to shove the vast majority of the public will vote left or right, but it's the nature of the right that's important.
Yeah, I'm not sure I'd call Johnson or Gove the lesser of two evils. Being asked to choose between them and Corbyn is like choosing which bollock you want the cancer in. Everyone's a fucking loser.
Theres no centre in Brexitgeddon, it's a sliding scale of self interest for the most part.
Brexit, for most voters, transcends left/right and party politics. Farage and the Lib Dems understand that.
For me it's as simple as a second referendum. A GE settles nothing, it just muddies the water because Labour are wantonly fence sitting and the Tories are in disarray.
Just offer No Deal and a soft alternative, Norway+ or whatever. A simple, unarguable binary choice. The middle ground is too complicated so it's soft or hard, choose.
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Re: The Mogg is circling...

Post by palerider » Fri Jun 07, 2019 4:53 pm

Neville Bartos wrote:
Fri Jun 07, 2019 1:18 pm
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Fri Jun 07, 2019 10:47 am


I'm looking at it from the Tories' point of view Nev and which is the lesser of two evils ?

No Deal with all it's problems or Corbyn in No.10.

The centre-ground who did so well in the EU elections will, imo, crumble at a General Election. Change UK, that laughable bunch formed in February have already imploded. When push comes to shove the vast majority of the public will vote left or right, but it's the nature of the right that's important.
Yeah, I'm not sure I'd call Johnson or Gove the lesser of two evils. Being asked to choose between them and Corbyn is like choosing which bollock you want the cancer in. Everyone's a fucking loser.
Theres no centre in Brexitgeddon, it's a sliding scale of self interest for the most part.
Brexit, for most voters, transcends left/right and party politics. Farage and the Lib Dems understand that.
For me it's as simple as a second referendum. A GE settles nothing, it just muddies the water because Labour are wantonly fence sitting and the Tories are in disarray.
Just offer No Deal and a soft alternative, Norway+ or whatever. A simple, unarguable binary choice. The middle ground is too complicated so it's soft or hard, choose.
I make you right there.
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Re: The Mogg is circling...

Post by BillyDWhizz » Tue Jun 11, 2019 7:14 pm

Labour finally comes up with a plan and It's not a bad one either tbf. They've launched a cross party bid to block a no deal Brexit - They'll win too, since everyone EXCEPT hard line Brexiteers will get behind it you'd have to imagine. That stops Boris, Rabb and McVey with their shut Parliament down until October and fling the country in to even more turmoil malarkey.

Fucking state of this country when we're relying on opposition parties and government rebels to stop a few completely deluded in-breeds from flushing us all down the crapper.
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Re: The Mogg is circling...

Post by Neville Bartos » Tue Jun 11, 2019 10:19 pm

BillyDWhizz wrote:
Tue Jun 11, 2019 7:14 pm
Labour finally comes up with a plan and It's not a bad one either tbf. They've launched a cross party bid to block a no deal Brexit - They'll win too, since everyone EXCEPT hard line Brexiteers will get behind it you'd have to imagine. That stops Boris, Rabb and McVey with their shut Parliament down until October and fling the country in to even more turmoil malarkey.

Fucking state of this country when we're relying on opposition parties and government rebels to stop a few completely deluded in-breeds from flushing us all down the crapper.
Treason I say, treason.
What's more democratic than a Tory leader no-one voted for shutting down parliament?
The EU are behind this, them or David Icke's Lizard people.
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Re: The Mogg is circling...

Post by Neville Bartos » Wed Jun 12, 2019 1:31 am

I'm pretty sure Dominic Raab is the biggest cunt in the Tory party. What a genuinely horrible little creep he is.
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Re: The Mogg is circling...

Post by terrya1965 » Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:21 am

Neville Bartos wrote:
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I'm pretty sure Dominic Raab is the biggest cunt in the Tory party. What a genuinely horrible little creep he is.
Not according to this.. :lol:

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Re: The Mogg is circling...

Post by h69 » Wed Jun 12, 2019 1:23 pm

Neville Bartos wrote:
Fri Jun 07, 2019 1:18 pm
palerider wrote:
Fri Jun 07, 2019 10:47 am


I'm looking at it from the Tories' point of view Nev and which is the lesser of two evils ?

No Deal with all it's problems or Corbyn in No.10.

The centre-ground who did so well in the EU elections will, imo, crumble at a General Election. Change UK, that laughable bunch formed in February have already imploded. When push comes to shove the vast majority of the public will vote left or right, but it's the nature of the right that's important.

Just offer No Deal and a soft alternative, Norway+ or whatever. A simple, unarguable binary choice. The middle ground is too complicated so it's soft or hard, choose.
....and whatever we vote for we will be told that we didnt know what we were voting for and we are racist :cry:

To be fair though I agree but people will always find a way to reverse what people voted for.
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Re: The Mogg is circling...

Post by BillyDWhizz » Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:03 pm

Well fuck me old boots, that cross party vote failed by 11, I didn't see that coming.

The Tory remainers and a handful of champagne socialists bricked it obviously. Boris it is then leading us to a no deal Brexit. Oh happy days, now we'll be offered all sorts of "trade deals" from the other buffoon across the pond. I hope no one was fond of the NHS.
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Re: The Mogg is circling...

Post by terrya1965 » Wed Jun 12, 2019 11:33 pm

BillyDWhizz wrote:
Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:03 pm
Well fuck me old boots, that cross party vote failed by 11, I didn't see that coming.

The Tory remainers and a handful of champagne socialists bricked it obviously. Boris it is then leading us to a no deal Brexit. Oh happy days, now we'll be offered all sorts of "trade deals" from the other buffoon across the pond. I hope no one was fond of the NHS.
These bastards are not politicians,they are parasites.They are just seeing what they can make,financially.They do not care two hoots for the people of this country.
If the NHS is sold off,there will be some very very rich people,but the majority in this country will suffer.
One of your choices could be,get a £25,000 Loan or your child will die?Hey,but you will be making the richer even wealthier(most will never need or spend in their lifetime),but it gives them a nice smile for the money they make.That is the reality. :(
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Re: The Mogg is circling...

Post by palerider » Thu Jun 13, 2019 6:36 am

BillyDWhizz wrote:
Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:03 pm
Well fuck me old boots, that cross party vote failed by 11, I didn't see that coming.

The Tory remainers and a handful of champagne socialists bricked it obviously. Boris it is then leading us to a no deal Brexit. Oh happy days, now we'll be offered all sorts of "trade deals" from the other buffoon across the pond. I hope no one was fond of the NHS.
I was surprised as well.

I've got bored with the whole thing tbh and have lost track but didn't virtually the same motion pass before May broke down in tears ?

I seem to recall it passed by one vote and there was an outcry that the disgraced Labour MP was allowed to vote with a tag on, or was that something else ?
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