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Re: F1, 2019

Post by mkhammer » Mon May 27, 2019 9:59 am

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Mon May 27, 2019 3:19 am
Wow, just made it. That was quite a drive from Hamilton to win on those tyres. It reminded me of the Mansell/Senna in 1992.... Verstappen trying to get past Hamilton.

As luck has it, Vettel manages to get 2nd and Bottas 3rd.
Yeah,couldn't believe how bad they were at the end...totally shot,any other track,would have to
have given way..prob ended up 4th,was a great drive tho,cant have been easy that one.

Bit Stupid from Leclerc...cant drive like that at Monaco,understand him being pissed off,
but not very professional...cost himself some points there...could have made top 10 poss..
biding his time..
But a bit more exciting than Monte Carlo usually is....thought it was spose to rain 90% chance
they said....funny might have made it easier for Lewis...chance to swap his tyres..

Some nice tributes to Niki tho...was well loved in F1...
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Re: F1, 2019

Post by Neville Bartos » Sun Jun 09, 2019 9:05 pm

Hilarious stuff in Canada as Vettel is chucking his toys out of the pram.
For me he caused the incident that lead to his penalty. He's saying he couldn't do anything about it, but he knew Hamilton was past of he didn't do something, unfortunately, and in true Vettel style, it was something stupid.
Ferrari continue to hand points and wins to Mercedes.
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Re: F1, 2019

Post by Gandalf » Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:56 am

Neville Bartos wrote:
Sun Jun 09, 2019 9:05 pm
Hilarious stuff in Canada as Vettel is chucking his toys out of the pram.
For me he caused the incident that lead to his penalty. He's saying he couldn't do anything about it, but he knew Hamilton was past of he didn't do something, unfortunately, and in true Vettel style, it was something stupid.
Ferrari continue to hand points and wins to Mercedes.
It was one of those incidents that whichever side you view it from you can justify your own point of view.

Personally I agree with you. I've watched the incident many time since, and although I'm rooting for Hamilton I've tried to view it from a neutral perspective.
The question in my mind is, once Vettel returns to the track can he stay out of Hamilton's way if he wants to? If he couldn't then it's a racing incident. If he could, but didn't, then he deserves a penalty.
And looking at the replays you can see he didn't understeer across the track, he simply drove across the track.
So in my mind the penalty was the right decision.
It was a shame because it robbed us of what could have been an epic battle.

You say "and in true Vettel style, it was something stupid". Quite right. Vettel true to form. The pressure got to him again.

When I watch GP's I will often chat with a mate of mine via WhatsApp.
Take a look at my comments at 21:04 and 21:14.

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You could see it coming. Time and time again Vettel cracks under pressure. And so he did again yesterday.
It wasn't the race stewards that screwed up. It was Seb.
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Re: F1, 2019

Post by Neville Bartos » Mon Jun 10, 2019 12:16 pm

Gandalf wrote:
Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:56 am
Neville Bartos wrote:
Sun Jun 09, 2019 9:05 pm
Hilarious stuff in Canada as Vettel is chucking his toys out of the pram.
For me he caused the incident that lead to his penalty. He's saying he couldn't do anything about it, but he knew Hamilton was past of he didn't do something, unfortunately, and in true Vettel style, it was something stupid.
Ferrari continue to hand points and wins to Mercedes.
It was one of those incidents that whichever side you view it from you can justify your own point of view.

Personally I agree with you. I've watched the incident many time since, and although I'm rooting for Hamilton I've tried to view it from a neutral perspective.
The question in my mind is, once Vettel returns to the track can he stay out of Hamilton's way if he wants to? If he couldn't then it's a racing incident. If he could, but didn't, then he deserves a penalty.
And looking at the replays you can see he didn't understeer across the track, he simply drove across the track.
So in my mind the penalty was the right decision.
It was a shame because it robbed us of what could have been an epic battle.

You say "and in true Vettel style, it was something stupid". Quite right. Vettel true to form. The pressure got to him again.

When I watch GP's I will often chat with a mate of mine via WhatsApp.
Take a look at my comments at 21:04 and 21:14.


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You could see it coming. Time and time again Vettel cracks under pressure. And so he did again yesterday.
It wasn't the race stewards that screwed up. It was Seb.
Agreed, mate. Even from a rules perspective it seems the stewards made the correct call. Clearly Hamilton would have been through if Vettel hadn't impeded him after rejoining the track. If that's not gaining an advantage, what is?
You do wonder how all these errors have affected Vettel mentally. As you say, any kind of prolonged pressure and the error switch gets flicked.
It's now five races until we hit tracks that might suit Ferrari again -- Spa and Monza -- and Ferrari already look dead and buried.
And to think everyone had Ferrari as the team to beat pre-season.
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Re: F1, 2019

Post by Noni » Mon Jun 10, 2019 1:51 pm

Vettel made the mistake, period!!...Despite the 5 second penalty, he should of focused on making up that time on track, instead of raging over the radio. He probably lost focus on the race after the penalty was announced. Even Charles was able to catch up and maybe stole 2nd place from Vettel.

I can see Vettel's point, but the Stewards made the call and he should of accepted it and carried on racing.. The ceremony was also a bit of a joke caused by Vettel. Good to see Vettel supporting Hamilton after the race, as it was not his fault. Some booing in the crowds.
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Re: F1, 2019

Post by Neville Bartos » Tue Jun 11, 2019 10:27 pm

I saw someone suggest that instead of a 5 second penalty F1 should introduce a joker lap like they have in Rallycross. My first thought was what a fantastic idea. Instead of a time penalty a driver has to take a joker within 5 laps of the infringement. It could even be used in place of grid penalties. Instead of 5 places, do a joker in the opening 5 laps. Hard to see a downside, although there'd clearly be logistical issues at certain circuits.
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Re: F1, 2019

Post by Gandalf » Wed Jun 12, 2019 6:11 pm

Neville Bartos wrote:
Tue Jun 11, 2019 10:27 pm
I saw someone suggest that instead of a 5 second penalty F1 should introduce a joker lap like they have in Rallycross. My first thought was what a fantastic idea. Instead of a time penalty a driver has to take a joker within 5 laps of the infringement. It could even be used in place of grid penalties. Instead of 5 places, do a joker in the opening 5 laps. Hard to see a downside, although there'd clearly be logistical issues at certain circuits.
If I understand that correctly it's just like a drive-through penalty, except not through the pits. Instead through a purpose built detour.
It seems like a good idea to me. It means once the penalty has been taken they will have to race, rather than just one driver hanging on to the gearbox of another to win.

Good idea!
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Re: F1, 2019

Post by Neville Bartos » Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:17 pm

Gandalf wrote:
Wed Jun 12, 2019 6:11 pm
Neville Bartos wrote:
Tue Jun 11, 2019 10:27 pm
I saw someone suggest that instead of a 5 second penalty F1 should introduce a joker lap like they have in Rallycross. My first thought was what a fantastic idea. Instead of a time penalty a driver has to take a joker within 5 laps of the infringement. It could even be used in place of grid penalties. Instead of 5 places, do a joker in the opening 5 laps. Hard to see a downside, although there'd clearly be logistical issues at certain circuits.
If I understand that correctly it's just like a drive-through penalty, except not through the pits. Instead through a purpose built detour.
It seems like a good idea to me. It means once the penalty has been taken they will have to race, rather than just one driver hanging on to the gearbox of another to win.

Good idea!
That's exactly it, mate. Like taking a drive through, but at full race pace, adding around 5 or so seconds to the lap time.
Obviously places like Monaco might need to retain time penalties, but at most tracks it could be a workable alternative.
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Re: F1, 2019

Post by Gandalf » Thu Jun 13, 2019 7:50 pm

Neville Bartos wrote:
Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:17 pm
Gandalf wrote:
Wed Jun 12, 2019 6:11 pm


If I understand that correctly it's just like a drive-through penalty, except not through the pits. Instead through a purpose built detour.
It seems like a good idea to me. It means once the penalty has been taken they will have to race, rather than just one driver hanging on to the gearbox of another to win.

Good idea!
That's exactly it, mate. Like taking a drive through, but at full race pace, adding around 5 or so seconds to the lap time.
Obviously places like Monaco might need to retain time penalties, but at most tracks it could be a workable alternative.

Just out of interest I've taken a look at the Monaco circuit to see if it's possible. The only place I think something could be done is Casino Square.
Instead of driving to the left of the roundabout, those taking the penalty would have to drive to the right of it. Maybe adding a chicane and a 90 degree bend in the penalty lane to slow them down a bit more. And also a safe exit would be required, with a white line that cannot be crossed, much like the pit exit.

It certainly wouldn't add on five seconds - but would it need to? Five seconds is just a round number that has been applied to all the races. But it doesn't have to be that.
And anyway, one penalty could be two or more trips through the penalty lane.

So I think it could work.
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Re: F1, 2019

Post by Neville Bartos » Thu Jun 13, 2019 9:36 pm

Gandalf wrote:
Thu Jun 13, 2019 7:50 pm
Neville Bartos wrote:
Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:17 pm


That's exactly it, mate. Like taking a drive through, but at full race pace, adding around 5 or so seconds to the lap time.
Obviously places like Monaco might need to retain time penalties, but at most tracks it could be a workable alternative.

Just out of interest I've taken a look at the Monaco circuit to see if it's possible. The only place I think something could be done is Casino Square.
Instead of driving to the left of the roundabout, those taking the penalty would have to drive to the right of it. Maybe adding a chicane and a 90 degree bend in the penalty lane to slow them down a bit more. And also a safe exit would be required, with a white line that cannot be crossed, much like the pit exit.

It certainly wouldn't add on five seconds - but would it need to? Five seconds is just a round number that has been applied to all the races. But it doesn't have to be that.
And anyway, one penalty could be two or more trips through the penalty lane.

So I think it could work.

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A great idea, mate. I guess the reduced pace would negate having the inside line heading into Mirabeau.
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