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Re: bojo

Post by palerider » Thu Sep 05, 2019 7:00 am

I was watching all the comings and goings last night. Both Sky and the BBC seemed to be lapping up the fact that Boris had been thwarted. The most unbiased reporting was on CNN of all places.

But then I got bored of it all. Politicians both leave and remain. Labour, Tory and Liberal. That snivelling little wretch Bercow. All of the flag waving twats on college green on both sides, especially that loud-mouthed turd who's only use of the English language is to boom out 'Stop Brexit' and a bloke I'd love to punch in the face. All of them. It's a fucking game to them. I swear a lot of them do it just to be in the limelight.

So I switched channels. What will be will be. Our country a laughing stock and run by self-serving imbeciles. I'm past caring because they don't.

And I found that my team, Essex, were playing in the quarter-finals of the T20. I've been on holiday in Northern Ireland for a week and I hadn't realised they'd even qualified. They were so far adrift in the league stages it must have been a turn-around of Tevez-Gate proportions. And I'm not really a fan of this form of the game anyway. A bit of a traditionalist me and imo it's the reason our test batsmen throw in the towel when an Aussie bowler with the sheer audacity to have two arms and two legs bowls straight at anything over 50mph. Stokes excepted of course.

I also have a new friend.

I was in NI (and not one person mentioned back-stop btw) as my son is a massive fan of Game of Thrones. A lot of it was filmed there so we did the tour amongst lots of other things. Like having lunch at the most bombed chippy in the world, but I digress. As the coach arrived back outside City Hall, our guide informed us that dotted around the country were a number of doors that held some sort of significance in the series. And one just happened to be in a pub round the corner. In true Irish fashion she invited us to see it. With a pint or four of the black stuff naturally.

It was a bit of a let-down tbh but the evening wasn't and later on I made acquaintance with my new friend called Bushmills. And as Essex chased down an unlikely total I poured myself a large glass.

They made it. And it occurred to me that if you have pantomime on TV at least make it entertaining.

So as he smashed the winning six wearing his yellow pyjamas, I knew right then that Ravi Bopara, aside from being a fine cricketer, would also make a better politician than the fucking lot of them.
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Re: bojo

Post by Whiskyman » Thu Sep 05, 2019 7:46 am

mkhammer wrote:
Wed Sep 04, 2019 6:47 pm
The thing with Swinson and the Libs is their stand,and it's become like one of Niges one
topic parties...
UKIP/BREXIT.. is the fact they state clearly, their ambition is to remain as we are...
Therefore totally ignoring a public mandate...to me you can't get much further away from democracy,
...that's extremist politics,bordering on a dictatorship,bit strong I know,but it is.
Their rhetoric is...STOP BREXIT...not lets get a good deal for ourselves,which in there's, Labours,and
SNPs case means we don't actual really leave at all.
Being straight and truthful doesn't make you right in your actions.

How on earth can you call yourself a "Liberal"....when you refuse to adhere/acknowledge a public vote.

They've spotted a gap in the market to get themselves 40 or so seats in Parliament...
That is so so wrong....and to be honest,and I know it's been a fuck up for various reasons,but
the Tories are the only party,that I'm seeing any sort of honesty,and at least trying to do the right
thing from.

Side note....fuckin sure Nige and Boris,have a little "Nodding agreement"to get Brexit thru,
Boris seems happy to have an Election...knowing they wont poll more seats,but if they could hold
the bulk of them which they will..290/300,chip in Niges 25 or so,add the DUP,they should be there,
all about being selective where Nige places his runners,if he puts runners in every race,might screw
things up for him and Boris.
Farage takes as many , if not more, votes from Labour as he does from the Tories. Particularly in what the Mail the other day called the "scummy" parts of the country. If you study the results of the 2016 referendum in detail it becomes clear that, by and large, the more "prosperous" (usually Tory seats) areas of the country were more inclined to vote Remain than the less affluent and traditional Labour parts where the Leave vote was much stronger.
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Re: bojo

Post by Whiskyman » Thu Sep 05, 2019 7:57 am

palerider wrote:
Thu Sep 05, 2019 7:00 am
I was watching all the comings and goings last night. Both Sky and the BBC seemed to be lapping up the fact that Boris had been thwarted. The most unbiased reporting was on CNN of all places.
Surely the fact that Thatcher lost just 4 votes in the House in 11 years as PM and Blair 4 in 10 makes a story about Johnson, who has lost 4 in as many fucking days, a story to be lapped up ?

And why do so many people so obsessed with "biased" TV reporting which they maintain is pro Remain remain conspicuously silent when it comes to the printed press which is pretty much pro Leave ?

You're absolutely spot on about the calibre of our so called "leaders", irrespective of whether they are left or right, leave or remain. They are a self serving, snouts in the trough rabble. Which is one of the reasons, for the sake of my grandchildren, I believe as a country we have to make a decision either to become an active participant in the European Union or somehow morph into another Hawaii and become the 51st State of the Union.

Because as sure as eggs are eggs if we go it alone we are well and truly fucked.
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Re: bojo

Post by mkhammer » Thu Sep 05, 2019 9:24 am

Neville Bartos wrote:
Wed Sep 04, 2019 9:51 pm
mkhammer wrote:
Wed Sep 04, 2019 6:47 pm
The thing with Swinson and the Libs is their stand,and it's become like one of Niges one
topic parties...
UKIP/BREXIT.. is the fact they state clearly, their ambition is to remain as we are...
Therefore totally ignoring a public mandate...to me you can't get much further away from democracy,
...that's extremist politics,bordering on a dictatorship,bit strong I know,but it is.
Their rhetoric is...STOP BREXIT...not lets get a good deal for ourselves,which in there's, Labours,and
SNPs case means we don't actual really leave at all.
Being straight and truthful doesn't make you right in your actions.

How on earth can you call yourself a "Liberal"....when you refuse to adhere/acknowledge a public vote.

They've spotted a gap in the market to get themselves 40 or so seats in Parliament...
That is so so wrong....and to be honest,and I know it's been a fuck up for various reasons,but
the Tories are the only party,that I'm seeing any sort of honesty,and at least trying to do the right
thing from.

Side note....fuckin sure Nige and Boris,have a little "Nodding agreement"to get Brexit thru,
Boris seems happy to have an Election...knowing they wont poll more seats,but if they could hold
the bulk of them which they will..290/300,chip in Niges 25 or so,add the DUP,they should be there,
all about being selective where Nige places his runners,if he puts runners in every race,might screw
things up for him and Boris.
The thing is the Lib Dems are not ignoring their members though. Are you suggesting Tory MPs should unquestioningly back a Labour manifesto if Labour wins a general election, or vice versa?

I'm sorry, mate, but if what you're taking from this debacle is that only the Tories are honest, I can only wonder about the lens you view the world through.
Just to remind you Boris Johnson is PM. A man who hasn't even got a passing knowledge of concepts like loyalty, honesty, trust and integrity.
And what a cabinet he's appointed. Better described as liars, backstabbers and lickspittles than 'honest'.
Seriously Patel was literally sacked for having secret meetings, outside of her remit, with foreign powers.

Now if you mean the Tories are more honest about their dishonesty than the rest, I'd disagree with that too.
The Tories engineered this cockup in the form of Cameron, threw away their majority and any ability to control the process under May, and are now attempting to push through the no deal that NOBODY wants under Johnson. If that isn't an indictment of Tory politics what is?
Prob have a clearer view than you mate TBH...Cos I don't have the disadvantage of having a "hatred"
for one side of the political spectrum...I can listen to and agree with people that are on the
"Socialist" side of the fence,whereby your one of the guys that will instantly disagree,with anything
someone from what we call the "Right" utters...when you have that, as the Leaders of the present
Labour party do at the moment...you will never ever compromise...that's whats happening here,
Labour and SNP saw an opportunity to disable the Tories....Brexit is secondary...
No I'm not paranoid,before you jump in... :lol: ...it's very clear if you sit back and study it.

The Tories are the only party reflecting public opinion...in being split....but they have compromised
...as much as you can over this.....(and i very much understand the "true" Remainers approach
..I get it and respect it)
but we still have some guys that feel...a negotiation whereby you can say no to a deal that is no good
should not be on the table...they're fundamentally wrong...but again i get it..but they're WRONG
nonetheless..

I cant make my view on the Libs any clearer really Nev....to me anyone that say's I/we want to STOP
Brexit...is anti democratic.....argue about how we leave till we're all blue in the face...fair dues..
different ball game.

"Sanctioned" secret meetings in Politics/Business,down the pup,are part of life mate...and to be
frank..think we'd be fucked without them at times...

Just been reading a book that went into the Cuban Missile Crisis..with out a few "Secret Meetings"
and off the record telephone calls...we might not all be here to moan about the Irons every
Saturday... :lol:
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Re: bojo

Post by mkhammer » Thu Sep 05, 2019 9:36 am

Whiskyman wrote:
Thu Sep 05, 2019 7:46 am
mkhammer wrote:
Wed Sep 04, 2019 6:47 pm
The thing with Swinson and the Libs is their stand,and it's become like one of Niges one
topic parties...
UKIP/BREXIT.. is the fact they state clearly, their ambition is to remain as we are...
Therefore totally ignoring a public mandate...to me you can't get much further away from democracy,
...that's extremist politics,bordering on a dictatorship,bit strong I know,but it is.
Their rhetoric is...STOP BREXIT...not lets get a good deal for ourselves,which in there's, Labours,and
SNPs case means we don't actual really leave at all.
Being straight and truthful doesn't make you right in your actions.

How on earth can you call yourself a "Liberal"....when you refuse to adhere/acknowledge a public vote.

They've spotted a gap in the market to get themselves 40 or so seats in Parliament...
That is so so wrong....and to be honest,and I know it's been a fuck up for various reasons,but
the Tories are the only party,that I'm seeing any sort of honesty,and at least trying to do the right
thing from.

Side note....fuckin sure Nige and Boris,have a little "Nodding agreement"to get Brexit thru,
Boris seems happy to have an Election...knowing they wont poll more seats,but if they could hold
the bulk of them which they will..290/300,chip in Niges 25 or so,add the DUP,they should be there,
all about being selective where Nige places his runners,if he puts runners in every race,might screw
things up for him and Boris.
Farage takes as many , if not more, votes from Labour as he does from the Tories. Particularly in what the Mail the other day called the "scummy" parts of the country. If you study the results of the 2016 referendum in detail it becomes clear that, by and large, the more "prosperous" (usually Tory seats) areas of the country were more inclined to vote Remain than the less affluent and traditional Labour parts where the Leave vote was much stronger.
Yeah agree with all that mate...thats why next election is gonna be hugely tactical,a lot of
sums are gonna have to be done..
Labour are gonna loose huge votes in the Midlands/North east and west..in their strongholds..
but will it be enough to lose the seats...by just putting one of a Tory or a Brexiteer, might not
be enough...but put both up split the vote 3 ways,might just do it...but in the marginal
Tory seats they need to keep out.

Nige was on BBC this morning saying pretty much that....that's why I think they've had a
"Secret Meeting"......Nev..... :D
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Re: bojo

Post by Whiskyman » Thu Sep 05, 2019 10:24 am

mkhammer wrote:
Thu Sep 05, 2019 9:36 am
Whiskyman wrote:
Thu Sep 05, 2019 7:46 am


Farage takes as many , if not more, votes from Labour as he does from the Tories. Particularly in what the Mail the other day called the "scummy" parts of the country. If you study the results of the 2016 referendum in detail it becomes clear that, by and large, the more "prosperous" (usually Tory seats) areas of the country were more inclined to vote Remain than the less affluent and traditional Labour parts where the Leave vote was much stronger.
Yeah agree with all that mate...thats why next election is gonna be hugely tactical,a lot of
sums are gonna have to be done..
Labour are gonna loose huge votes in the Midlands/North east and west..in their strongholds..
but will it be enough to lose the seats...by just putting one of a Tory or a Brexiteer, might not
be enough...but put both up split the vote 3 ways,might just do it...but in the marginal
Tory seats they need to keep out.

Nige was on BBC this morning saying pretty much that....that's why I think they've had a
"Secret Meeting"......Nev..... :D
Tactical voting is all well and good but I guess it depends on how important people see the Brexit issue at a general election. For example would pro leave Tory voters actually vote Brexit if they felt that doing so would elect a Labour MP ? In other words do they regard Brexit as important as the more traditional Tory values ?

Similarly would a Labour pro leaver in one of the traditional cloth cap constituencies abandon years of conditioning and vote for a party led by the ultra right wing Nigel Farage if he felt that such an action might destroy the dream he and his forefathers have always had. A tax and spend left leaning government. ?

One thing's for sure. It's going to be interesting. For what it's worth I think the first party that promises, after the election, to have a second referendum with one simple question will piss it hands down.

The question ? Do you want to remain in the European Union or leave under the terms on the table. At the moment that is Theresa May's deal but it could, of course, change. Even the hardline Brexiters say they don't want to leave without a deal so that question should suit everyone. Because I genuinely feel everyone has had it up to the back teeth with all the fucking silliness and name calling that's going on right now.
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Re: bojo

Post by Neville Bartos » Thu Sep 05, 2019 11:34 am

mkhammer wrote:
Thu Sep 05, 2019 9:24 am
Neville Bartos wrote:
Wed Sep 04, 2019 9:51 pm


The thing is the Lib Dems are not ignoring their members though. Are you suggesting Tory MPs should unquestioningly back a Labour manifesto if Labour wins a general election, or vice versa?

I'm sorry, mate, but if what you're taking from this debacle is that only the Tories are honest, I can only wonder about the lens you view the world through.
Just to remind you Boris Johnson is PM. A man who hasn't even got a passing knowledge of concepts like loyalty, honesty, trust and integrity.
And what a cabinet he's appointed. Better described as liars, backstabbers and lickspittles than 'honest'.
Seriously Patel was literally sacked for having secret meetings, outside of her remit, with foreign powers.

Now if you mean the Tories are more honest about their dishonesty than the rest, I'd disagree with that too.
The Tories engineered this cockup in the form of Cameron, threw away their majority and any ability to control the process under May, and are now attempting to push through the no deal that NOBODY wants under Johnson. If that isn't an indictment of Tory politics what is?
Prob have a clearer view than you mate TBH...Cos I don't have the disadvantage of having a "hatred"
for one side of the political spectrum...I can listen to and agree with people that are on the
"Socialist" side of the fence,whereby your one of the guys that will instantly disagree,with anything
someone from what we call the "Right" utters...when you have that, as the Leaders of the present
Labour party do at the moment...you will never ever compromise...that's whats happening here,
Labour and SNP saw an opportunity to disable the Tories....Brexit is secondary...
No I'm not paranoid,before you jump in... :lol: ...it's very clear if you sit back and study it.

The Tories are the only party reflecting public opinion...in being split....but they have compromised
...as much as you can over this.....(and i very much understand the "true" Remainers approach
..I get it and respect it)
but we still have some guys that feel...a negotiation whereby you can say no to a deal that is no good
should not be on the table...they're fundamentally wrong...but again i get it..but they're WRONG
nonetheless..

I cant make my view on the Libs any clearer really Nev....to me anyone that say's I/we want to STOP
Brexit...is anti democratic.....argue about how we leave till we're all blue in the face...fair dues..
different ball game.

"Sanctioned" secret meetings in Politics/Business,down the pup,are part of life mate...and to be
frank..think we'd be fucked without them at times...

Just been reading a book that went into the Cuban Missile Crisis..with out a few "Secret Meetings"
and off the record telephone calls...we might not all be here to moan about the Irons every
Saturday... :lol:
To answer you point by point:
I don't have a hateful bone in my body, it's 100% cynic.
It's nearly all bullshit, mate. Right, left and centre. You name 5 front benchers from any side of the house whose first thought is for Joe Public? It's impossible, because there's always an agenda, power, ego, wealth. Corbyn and Johnson are both driven by the first two.

The whole Brexit process was never about public opinion. It was about David Cameron staving off UKIP. Brexit was such a non issue that no-one even bothered to draw up a plan before the vote.

I don't know where to begin with the idea the Tories are blameless innocents in this whole sordid affair. You clearly love a fairy tale, mate. :D

Polls suggest the majority do not want a no deal.
The Conservatives made overtures to Labour over May's deal, and offered to change it not one iota. Instead offering assurances on workers rights. Compromise? Hmmmm.

Johnson and his government have negotiated nothing. The EU have confirmed that. No deal isn't being used as a negotiation tool, it's this government's preferred and only option. You do understand Boris wasn't being genuine in the reasons he gave for dissolving parliament?

Democracy is how we are governed. Its not defined as the necessity to obey popular opinion at any cost.
The Lib Dems are free to choose any policy they so choose. And since you and I can choose not to vote for them, I don't see an issue with that at all.

Patel's meeting wasn't sanctioned, that's why she was sacked. There's a difference between secret from the public and secret from your own government. Patel should be in the tower rather than the cabinet. ;)
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Re: bojo

Post by Jacko1966 » Thu Sep 05, 2019 1:09 pm

"the Tories are the only party,that I'm seeing any sort of honesty" - I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
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Re: bojo

Post by whu » Thu Sep 05, 2019 2:32 pm

I'm quite opinionated but it's a total fucking mess and I cannot be arsed really.

Always was going to be a mess. With the countries people wanting to leave and the MP's that are meant to represent the people, wanting to remain. Cunts.

Election door-steeping sometime soon? An MP will be seriously hurt this time round. As clear as bollocks on a bulldog.

Someone on here said about career politicians, great shout. They are. Shame on them. Hollywood, treacherous cunts.

BREXIT NOW btw
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Re: bojo

Post by BlackDiamond » Thu Sep 05, 2019 9:10 pm

"I'd rather be dead in a ditch than agree an extension" was the quote.

That is a funny thing for a serving PM to say and we might wonder how that idea formed itself.

Naturally it was meant as an exaggeration...nothing is worse than ones own death. But to link it with a ditch, is to do
some funny abstract connection which is not obvious;when the person making the remark, is unlikely to been anywhere near one or indeed stood in one.

So how would a serving PM end up dead in a ditch ? So presumably in his mind - because he must have contemplated it out of the other morbid available choices - he some how finds him self outdoors,sauntering out of control,meeting an accident and then mortally hurt, collapsing and expiring in a ditch...

unless of course it was a mispronunciation and he meant "B" rather than "D" and that alters the whole concept...
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