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Re: bojo

Post by Neville Bartos » Thu Aug 01, 2019 7:09 pm

palerider wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2019 7:16 am
Neville Bartos wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2019 7:04 am
Good to see Dom in the news again today. According to the BBC he's been trying to rewrite his own history by saying he talked about the possibility of a no dead Brexit during the referendum. Of course what he actually said was that we'd get a deal without too many problems and that no deal was a very unlikely worse case scenario.
Still this is the lie that people who want a no deal Brexit constantly push. They told us, that's what we voted for, anything less is a betrayal.
Jesus. Give it a rest mate. You're beginning to rant now.
Bollocks. :D
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Re: bojo

Post by Whiskyman » Fri Aug 02, 2019 10:16 am

mkhammer wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2019 9:29 am
FFS...PLEASE......Brexit IS NOT some Tory plan to Fuck the working classes up,and make themselves
all stinking rich while the Poor pay £6.99 for a loaf of bread......

It Was an Election Manifesto Pledge...a winning Manifesto that had to be adhered to....
They thought it would get thru 60/40,that we remain...they weren't expecting the "LABOUR" voters
in the North and Midland Cities to be so strong in wanting to leave...
Fuck up from that point of view...yes...
Completely agree with that, including their prediction of the referendum result, which was a classic cock up by Cameron. Now here's another theory.

The Conservative party included a referendum pledge in their manifesto because they felt, very wrongly in my view, that most of the UKIP votes were haemorrhaging from them. They weren't. Of course some Tories deserted to UKIP but imo the majority were from traditional Labour voters.

I think most of us accept the single most determining factor behind the referendum result was immigration. If we look at where UKIP attracted most of it's support we will see the majority, indeed a significant majority, was from seats which Labour has traditionally been strong in. I detest the term but the media still use it so I will---Traditional working class areas.

A massive amount of UKIP's , and now the Brexit party's, support comes from former Labour voters. And left wing Labour voters at that. The ones who can't accept the fact that the reasons many Eastern Europeans come here is to do the jobs that they consider themselves far too grand for. The so called "working class voter" has allowed himself to be seduced by the rhetoric of Marxists like Jack Dash, who destroyed the London Docks, Arthur Scargill, ditto the coal mining industry, and many other left leaning Trade Union leaders who effectively encouraged their membership to price themselves out of work over time.

Most traditional conservatives believe that hard work should be rewarded by a decent standard of living. They don't believe in uncontrolled handouts which in most cases means the workshy and the unmarried local bikes with 3 kids by 3 different fathers are being subsidised by taxes paid by hard working citizens. Traditional Tories don't have a "down" on the underprivileged but we do have a down on fucking freeloaders.

I'm quite sure there are many Brexit inclined people who, if offered a choice in a second referendum would switch their vote to Remain if the option was No deal. Equally there are many Remain voters like myself who would seriously consider voting to leave the EU provided we retained the principle of the original common market---free trade. I think a vote based along those lines would be a resounding leave simply because people are utterly pissed off with the damage the current fucking about is doing to the economy, not least the value of our currency.

But imo the only people who would be happy with leave on the basis of No deal would be the rabid hard right English (not British) nationalists on the one side and the hard left Marxists on the other. Because if Corbyn ever did win an election once we were out of the EU there would be no EU to control and contain his Marxist tax and spend policies.
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Re: bojo

Post by mkhammer » Fri Aug 02, 2019 11:42 am

Whiskyman wrote:
Fri Aug 02, 2019 10:16 am
mkhammer wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2019 9:29 am
FFS...PLEASE......Brexit IS NOT some Tory plan to Fuck the working classes up,and make themselves
all stinking rich while the Poor pay £6.99 for a loaf of bread......

It Was an Election Manifesto Pledge...a winning Manifesto that had to be adhered to....
They thought it would get thru 60/40,that we remain...they weren't expecting the "LABOUR" voters
in the North and Midland Cities to be so strong in wanting to leave...
Fuck up from that point of view...yes...
Completely agree with that, including their prediction of the referendum result, which was a classic cock up by Cameron. Now here's another theory.

The Conservative party included a referendum pledge in their manifesto because they felt, very wrongly in my view, that most of the UKIP votes were haemorrhaging from them. They weren't. Of course some Tories deserted to UKIP but imo the majority were from traditional Labour voters.

I think most of us accept the single most determining factor behind the referendum result was immigration. If we look at where UKIP attracted most of it's support we will see the majority, indeed a significant majority, was from seats which Labour has traditionally been strong in. I detest the term but the media still use it so I will---Traditional working class areas.

A massive amount of UKIP's , and now the Brexit party's, support comes from former Labour voters. And left wing Labour voters at that. The ones who can't accept the fact that the reasons many Eastern Europeans come here is to do the jobs that they consider themselves far too grand for. The so called "working class voter" has allowed himself to be seduced by the rhetoric of Marxists like Jack Dash, who destroyed the London Docks, Arthur Scargill, ditto the coal mining industry, and many other left leaning Trade Union leaders who effectively encouraged their membership to price themselves out of work over time.

Most traditional conservatives believe that hard work should be rewarded by a decent standard of living. They don't believe in uncontrolled handouts which in most cases means the workshy and the unmarried local bikes with 3 kids by 3 different fathers are being subsidised by taxes paid by hard working citizens. Traditional Tories don't have a "down" on the underprivileged but we do have a down on fucking freeloaders.

I'm quite sure there are many Brexit inclined people who, if offered a choice in a second referendum would switch their vote to Remain if the option was No deal. Equally there are many Remain voters like myself who would seriously consider voting to leave the EU provided we retained the principle of the original common market---free trade. I think a vote based along those lines would be a resounding leave simply because people are utterly pissed off with the damage the current fucking about is doing to the economy, not least the value of our currency.

But imo the only people who would be happy with leave on the basis of No deal would be the rabid hard right English (not British) nationalists on the one side and the hard left Marxists on the other. Because if Corbyn ever did win an election once we were out of the EU there would be no EU to control and contain his Marxist tax and spend policies.
Nice post mate...Very much agree with all of that.....
If The Tories used the the "Working Classes" (Which is a fuckin stupid term)we all work or did..
and look down on them as something to be used and abused
Would not touch them with a Barge Pole fact would use it to beat them...

Most of them come from backgrounds similar to us lot....they're not all from "Lords of the manor"
backgrounds......and it's absolute ridiculous in 2019 to think that...
There is a Higher Proportion of the "old school tie brigade" in Parliament..than the guy you meet down
the pub...but it's the nature of it..and is across the house...and it's getting less and less,every election.

Firmly Believe the Conservatives are way better for the Average guy and girl....thats why I support
and vote for them....not because they benefit the wealthy.....they want low taxes across the board
Rich and not so rich...idea being People spend more at every level,from a park lane car showroom
to BandQ....the more people have to spend the more vibrant the economy and the more Tax Paying
jobs are created...which is happening at the moment ..despite Brexit...
just one view of it....

I've said before like it or not...support them or not they actually reflect Public opinion by being
more or less split and having different views on Brexit..(Fucked off to the back teeth of that word
TBH.... :lol: )

The Libs Wholly and Only Support the Remainers,that's all their interested in and targeting,Leavers can
go fuck themselves...they're stupid ignorant people who didn't know what they were voting for..
thats the way they consider and talk about leavers..
and are prepared to overturn a public referendum.....Liberal...be fucked...that's bordering on
dictatorship....Ignore the Public at your Peril...
Goes pretty much for SNP...who have no interest in the UK and do not reflect the Scottish attitude
in most things...indeed if not for the Brexit shit...The Tories under Ruth Davidson,would have
and fully convinced become the Major Party in Scotland within the next GE or 2..

And Labour....there's no words to describe,so wont bother....enough to say they're done for....
they ignored their own voters and will pay the price as we saw last nights Bye Election...
under 5% I believe voted for them...the'll be lucky to hit 20% in any GE now...
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Re: bojo

Post by Whiskyman » Fri Aug 02, 2019 1:23 pm

mkhammer wrote:
Fri Aug 02, 2019 11:42 am
Whiskyman wrote:
Fri Aug 02, 2019 10:16 am


Completely agree with that, including their prediction of the referendum result, which was a classic cock up by Cameron. Now here's another theory.

The Conservative party included a referendum pledge in their manifesto because they felt, very wrongly in my view, that most of the UKIP votes were haemorrhaging from them. They weren't. Of course some Tories deserted to UKIP but imo the majority were from traditional Labour voters.

I think most of us accept the single most determining factor behind the referendum result was immigration. If we look at where UKIP attracted most of it's support we will see the majority, indeed a significant majority, was from seats which Labour has traditionally been strong in. I detest the term but the media still use it so I will---Traditional working class areas.

A massive amount of UKIP's , and now the Brexit party's, support comes from former Labour voters. And left wing Labour voters at that. The ones who can't accept the fact that the reasons many Eastern Europeans come here is to do the jobs that they consider themselves far too grand for. The so called "working class voter" has allowed himself to be seduced by the rhetoric of Marxists like Jack Dash, who destroyed the London Docks, Arthur Scargill, ditto the coal mining industry, and many other left leaning Trade Union leaders who effectively encouraged their membership to price themselves out of work over time.

Most traditional conservatives believe that hard work should be rewarded by a decent standard of living. They don't believe in uncontrolled handouts which in most cases means the workshy and the unmarried local bikes with 3 kids by 3 different fathers are being subsidised by taxes paid by hard working citizens. Traditional Tories don't have a "down" on the underprivileged but we do have a down on fucking freeloaders.

I'm quite sure there are many Brexit inclined people who, if offered a choice in a second referendum would switch their vote to Remain if the option was No deal. Equally there are many Remain voters like myself who would seriously consider voting to leave the EU provided we retained the principle of the original common market---free trade. I think a vote based along those lines would be a resounding leave simply because people are utterly pissed off with the damage the current fucking about is doing to the economy, not least the value of our currency.

But imo the only people who would be happy with leave on the basis of No deal would be the rabid hard right English (not British) nationalists on the one side and the hard left Marxists on the other. Because if Corbyn ever did win an election once we were out of the EU there would be no EU to control and contain his Marxist tax and spend policies.
Nice post mate...Very much agree with all of that.....
If The Tories used the the "Working Classes" (Which is a fuckin stupid term)we all work or did..
and look down on them as something to be used and abused
Would not touch them with a Barge Pole fact would use it to beat them...

Most of them come from backgrounds similar to us lot....they're not all from "Lords of the manor"
backgrounds......and it's absolute ridiculous in 2019 to think that...
There is a Higher Proportion of the "old school tie brigade" in Parliament..than the guy you meet down
the pub...but it's the nature of it..and is across the house...and it's getting less and less,every election.

Firmly Believe the Conservatives are way better for the Average guy and girl....thats why I support
and vote for them....not because they benefit the wealthy.....they want low taxes across the board
Rich and not so rich...idea being People spend more at every level,from a park lane car showroom
to BandQ....the more people have to spend the more vibrant the economy and the more Tax Paying
jobs are created...which is happening at the moment ..despite Brexit...
just one view of it....

I've said before like it or not...support them or not they actually reflect Public opinion by being
more or less split and having different views on Brexit..(Fucked off to the back teeth of that word
TBH.... :lol: )

The Libs Wholly and Only Support the Remainers,that's all their interested in and targeting,Leavers can
go fuck themselves...they're stupid ignorant people who didn't know what they were voting for..
thats the way they consider and talk about leavers..
and are prepared to overturn a public referendum.....Liberal...be fucked...that's bordering on
dictatorship....Ignore the Public at your Peril...
Goes pretty much for SNP...who have no interest in the UK and do not reflect the Scottish attitude
in most things...indeed if not for the Brexit shit...The Tories under Ruth Davidson,would have
and fully convinced become the Major Party in Scotland within the next GE or 2..

And Labour....there's no words to describe,so wont bother....enough to say they're done for....
they ignored their own voters and will pay the price as we saw last nights Bye Election...
under 5% I believe voted for them...the'll be lucky to hit 20% in any GE now...
Labour is a total mess. Had they elected David Milliband as leader instead of his plank of a brother they would, imo, now be in government and Corbyn would probably have been fucked off out to join his Comrades, what's left of them, of the old British Communist Party. They are paying the price for the way they elect their leader which I believe still relies very heavily on the Union block votes. So if you're in a union, and not contracted out of the political levy, and think Corbyn's a total asshole, but your union leadership, probably Marxist, think he is the one who will create the socialist workers utopia, you are bolloxed.

And in a nutshell imo that's what's wrong with our system at the moment. It's busted. Unfit for purpose. For democracy to work properly there has to be an effective and viable government in waiting. There isn't.
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Re: bojo

Post by palerider » Sat Aug 03, 2019 8:34 am

It's odds on there'll be a general election this year and it's all boiling down to a Remain or Leave issue. Corbyn's 'will he won't he' sitting on the fence looks like coming back to haunt him in the north where the battle will be won or lost.

For Boris to win he must form a pact with Farage and stand down in many seats where the Tories would not have won anyway.

For all of the new Lib Dem bint's bravado after winning the Brecon by-election it should be noted that the Tory candidate was the very same one who'd been voted out locally for expenses shenanigans, and that both Plaid Cymru and the Greens stood down, leaving the path clear. And the landslide vote for the Lib Dems fell well short of predictions. If the Brexit party had stood down it would still be a Conservative seat.

I'm not saying a Johnson / Farage double act fills me with hope but it appears to be on the cards.
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Post by mkhammer » Sat Aug 03, 2019 10:21 am

Next Election all depends what happens by Oct 31st...Leave date..
Boris managies to concoct a deal...that Euro Bods and DUP are happy with,should get 100%
of the party behind it,and we leave...irrespective of what remainers whinge about...or...
we Leave "No Deal"....Either way Farage will not contest a GE...job done..

It's likely Any Election This year Next whenever will have a Most seats Tory Party but No Overall ....
This could poss let in a LIb/Lab/SNP pact.with us just having left the EU.....Nightmare...

Boris has to call one within 12 Months whatever the circumstances,but if we leave,and come
May/October Next year and we all haven't died of Starvation :lol: ...the Tories should get a Majority in
any Election...small one admittedly but Enough..Cos..Libs become pointless again,all eggs in
one basket..and Labour will lose shitloads of Leave voting seats..

If we don't leave,for whatever reason,cant see it but who Knows....possible another Postponement
could happen,despite what Boris is Saying..but if Brexit not resolved...could be an Early next
year GE...with Nigels Brexit Party involved...Nicking a few seats...so would mean the Tories and
Nige getting together to stop a Lib/Lab pact..

There's so many scenarios at moment...all down to what happens on the 31st...
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Post by Neville Bartos » Sat Aug 03, 2019 11:10 am

There could be an election well before October. Johnson's majority, even with DUP, sits at 1. If that disappears the likelihood is that an election will be practically unavoidable before the deadline date.
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Post by Neville Bartos » Sun Aug 04, 2019 12:47 am



Truly the highlight of Liz Truss' amazing speech about agriculture and stuff. The pause, the inane grin... just epic.
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Post by Newmarket » Sun Aug 04, 2019 8:04 am

Neville Bartos wrote:
Sun Aug 04, 2019 12:47 am


Truly the highlight of Liz Truss' amazing speech about agriculture and stuff. The pause, the inane grin... just epic.
But does she do it Doggy?
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Post by palerider » Sun Aug 04, 2019 8:26 am

Newmarket wrote:
Sun Aug 04, 2019 8:04 am
Neville Bartos wrote:
Sun Aug 04, 2019 12:47 am


Truly the highlight of Liz Truss' amazing speech about agriculture and stuff. The pause, the inane grin... just epic.
But does she do it Doggy?
Nev will reply next week Tim.

He's spending all this week shouting 'Stop Brexit' on parliament green dressed in his EU suit.

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