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Re: Coronavirus

Post by JayK » Mon May 18, 2020 12:04 pm

Newmarket wrote:
Mon May 18, 2020 5:45 am
JayK wrote:
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Possibly they only have a short supply of masks. Handle the mask and pull it off your face to drive can render the mask useless. Also touching the mask and then somewhere else could be spreading the virus. So, have enough to be able to use one mask per visit or don’t touch it.

I did question it myself when I saw it though
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Re: Coronavirus

Post by JayK » Mon May 18, 2020 12:09 pm

palerider wrote:
Mon May 18, 2020 11:13 am
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If much of the government's own advice is to be believed many of the masks, little more than face coverings, are next to useless. In fact some reports even say they are potentially more harmful than wearing nothing.

But imo a lot of people are wearing the fucking things so they can sort of smugly say,"Look at me everybody, aren't I a good boy/girl". One of my near neighbours actually puts one on when he nips outside to his fucking recycling bins. :lol:
I have to admit, I wear a ski-mask when I go to Tesco as although I do have a couple of the face-masks they seem very flimsy. And of course I can wash the ski-mask afterwards.

They greet me with a cheery hello when in the past they'd have thought I was about to rob them :lol:
There are different levels of face masks. Lots are largely useless against covid but there are lots that do work from what I can tell. Looks like N95 masks are the ones we should have. See this website for a bit more clarity on masks...
https://www.halyardhealth.com/industry- ... -know.aspx
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Re: Coronavirus

Post by mkhammer » Mon May 18, 2020 12:29 pm

Our Problems with this are not just "OUR" Problems...they are the Worlds problems and the Shortages,
high death toll in Care Homes...when and how do we come out of it...Have we done the right thing
in the handling of it...etc...are the same problems and questions,every Country is going thru...

But there a very small minority out there who want to blame the Government for every single
death...almost as if they actually started it and caused it...
Labour Party are after Political gain now...Press/Media..looking for any old story that will belittle
or put someone down....
Funny the BBC/Sky have covered this OK IMO.....whereas ITV with Piers Morgan,has been an absolute
Joke...to the point of embarrassment...he's actually taken it on himself to try and damage the government
cos they wont come on his pathetic show.
Labour trying to tell the Tories about the Financial implications and what they should do.... :lol:

The Stats and figures being put up by other countries are very questionable as well...I'd go as far to
say they are way way off the truth....
TBH think we're one of the few countries not trying to cover things up....unless it's for short term
benefits that is....which is a necessity with a thing like this...don't want any panic in early
days...the true stats will come out over time and not be hidden.

Hoping this week will see a dramatic down turn in cases/deaths....
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Re: Coronavirus

Post by BlackDiamond » Mon May 18, 2020 12:30 pm

JayK wrote:
Mon May 18, 2020 12:04 pm
Whiskyman wrote:
Mon May 18, 2020 11:48 am


I'm coming to the conclusion that, in all honesty, we should revert to normality.

It seems it will be a long time, if ever, before a vaccine is produced in sufficient quantities to immunize/cure us. So as I see it we have a limited number of options available to us.

1. Continue ,as now, which is unsustainable given that many people are suffering financial hardship, many businesses and jobs are in danger of disappearing which of course means more people relying on financial support from the government.
OR
2. Accept that some people are going to catch the thing, probably in time all of us, but remembering to bear in mind 95% of people who do (government's own stats) don't even need hospital treatment.
OR
3. Gradually relax the current lockdown restrictions until some sort of normality is reached again. This is the option I think the government is presently pursuing but, tbh, I think they're only really postponing, rather than preventing, the inevitable.

And whilst I'm fortunate that I don't have any relatives or friends currently undergoing, or waiting for, medical treatment I think we should be concerned that the resources of the NHS are probably being diverted away from some forms of life saving treatment, cancer treatment for example, to concentrate all it's efforts on Covid 19. Cancer, if untreated WILL eventually kill you, Covid 19 will if you're on of the unlucky ones.
I think the main reason for the lockdown was to try stop the NHS falling on its knees and no other reason. Now they’re not so busy, the government can afford to see a few more people infected, until we peak again (which I think is inevitable) then we’ll all be locked down again. The sights of people getting into work via the tube in London was like this thing had never happened.

I agree we need to move out of lockdown slowly (option 3) but the government need better control of the transport systems to try reduce the risk of the 2nd peak.
Your right,if the NHS goes into crisis then Conservative support does.The two are strongly linked in public perception.

Moving to the planned July hospitality relaxations,will see the government taking a big casino bet. And you would only do that if you think you have an ace up your sleeve. The Oxford vaccine -in trials- might be the persuader, to go all in.
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Re: Coronavirus

Post by mkhammer » Mon May 18, 2020 12:45 pm

JayK wrote:
Mon May 18, 2020 12:04 pm
Whiskyman wrote:
Mon May 18, 2020 11:48 am


I'm coming to the conclusion that, in all honesty, we should revert to normality.

It seems it will be a long time, if ever, before a vaccine is produced in sufficient quantities to immunize/cure us. So as I see it we have a limited number of options available to us.

1. Continue ,as now, which is unsustainable given that many people are suffering financial hardship, many businesses and jobs are in danger of disappearing which of course means more people relying on financial support from the government.
OR
2. Accept that some people are going to catch the thing, probably in time all of us, but remembering to bear in mind 95% of people who do (government's own stats) don't even need hospital treatment.
OR
3. Gradually relax the current lockdown restrictions until some sort of normality is reached again. This is the option I think the government is presently pursuing but, tbh, I think they're only really postponing, rather than preventing, the inevitable.

And whilst I'm fortunate that I don't have any relatives or friends currently undergoing, or waiting for, medical treatment I think we should be concerned that the resources of the NHS are probably being diverted away from some forms of life saving treatment, cancer treatment for example, to concentrate all it's efforts on Covid 19. Cancer, if untreated WILL eventually kill you, Covid 19 will if you're on of the unlucky ones.
I think the main reason for the lockdown was to try stop the NHS falling on its knees and no other reason. Now they’re not so busy, the government can afford to see a few more people infected, until we peak again (which I think is inevitable) then we’ll all be locked down again. The sights of people getting into work via the tube in London was like this thing had never happened.

I agree we need to move out of lockdown slowly (option 3) but the government need better control of the transport systems to try reduce the risk of the 2nd peak.
Yes mate..was made very clear from the start...this thing is here...we must protect our NHS
and not overwhelm it,so they can do their job ,which is exactly what happened...the Nightingales
were never needed...as of yet anyway.

It's pretty obvious people will stay in a lockdown situation for a couple weeks maybe...then we start
to get itchy feet as the novelty wears of....and we didn't want itchy feet when the thing is peaking,
was a hard call to get exactly right.

Don't go into town much, MK...but seen it get a little busier each week,before last weeks relaxation
of lockdown...,so pointless not easing it a bit...

Were very much a country that asks people to do something...and not tell and demand,like others..
that usually works better.
Just trust people to use commonsense....
Mind you thats hard for some of the idiots and arseholes we have out there...is why we need the
old bill with the extra powers to fine etc...
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Re: Coronavirus

Post by JayK » Mon May 18, 2020 1:19 pm

mkhammer wrote:
Mon May 18, 2020 12:45 pm
JayK wrote:
Mon May 18, 2020 12:04 pm


I think the main reason for the lockdown was to try stop the NHS falling on its knees and no other reason. Now they’re not so busy, the government can afford to see a few more people infected, until we peak again (which I think is inevitable) then we’ll all be locked down again. The sights of people getting into work via the tube in London was like this thing had never happened.

I agree we need to move out of lockdown slowly (option 3) but the government need better control of the transport systems to try reduce the risk of the 2nd peak.
Yes mate..was made very clear from the start...this thing is here...we must protect our NHS
and not overwhelm it,so they can do their job ,which is exactly what happened...the Nightingales
were never needed...as of yet anyway.

It's pretty obvious people will stay in a lockdown situation for a couple weeks maybe...then we start
to get itchy feet as the novelty wears of....and we didn't want itchy feet when the thing is peaking,
was a hard call to get exactly right.

Don't go into town much, MK...but seen it get a little busier each week,before last weeks relaxation
of lockdown...,so pointless not easing it a bit...

Were very much a country that asks people to do something...and not tell and demand,like others..
that usually works better.
Just trust people to use commonsense....
Mind you thats hard for some of the idiots and arseholes we have out there...is why we need the
old bill with the extra powers to fine etc...
Did anybody actually get one of those fines? I know in Essex they were always talking about trying to work with the public rather than fine them. Not enough police to Marshall such a project though so was always gonna difficult for them.

Plenty of idiots and arseholes out there mate. I trust very few to do what’s right. Until I can start work again, I’m carrying on as if nothing’s changed since lockdown.
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Re: Coronavirus

Post by JayK » Mon May 18, 2020 1:20 pm

BlackDiamond wrote:
Mon May 18, 2020 12:30 pm
JayK wrote:
Mon May 18, 2020 12:04 pm


I think the main reason for the lockdown was to try stop the NHS falling on its knees and no other reason. Now they’re not so busy, the government can afford to see a few more people infected, until we peak again (which I think is inevitable) then we’ll all be locked down again. The sights of people getting into work via the tube in London was like this thing had never happened.

I agree we need to move out of lockdown slowly (option 3) but the government need better control of the transport systems to try reduce the risk of the 2nd peak.
Your right,if the NHS goes into crisis then Conservative support does.The two are strongly linked in public perception.

Moving to the planned July hospitality relaxations,will see the government taking a big casino bet. And you would only do that if you think you have an ace up your sleeve. The Oxford vaccine -in trials- might be the persuader, to go all in.
Yep, the sooner that vaccine gets tested into circulation, the better
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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Whiskyman » Mon May 18, 2020 1:20 pm

JayK wrote:
Mon May 18, 2020 12:04 pm
Whiskyman wrote:
Mon May 18, 2020 11:48 am


I'm coming to the conclusion that, in all honesty, we should revert to normality.

It seems it will be a long time, if ever, before a vaccine is produced in sufficient quantities to immunize/cure us. So as I see it we have a limited number of options available to us.

1. Continue ,as now, which is unsustainable given that many people are suffering financial hardship, many businesses and jobs are in danger of disappearing which of course means more people relying on financial support from the government.
OR
2. Accept that some people are going to catch the thing, probably in time all of us, but remembering to bear in mind 95% of people who do (government's own stats) don't even need hospital treatment.
OR
3. Gradually relax the current lockdown restrictions until some sort of normality is reached again. This is the option I think the government is presently pursuing but, tbh, I think they're only really postponing, rather than preventing, the inevitable.

And whilst I'm fortunate that I don't have any relatives or friends currently undergoing, or waiting for, medical treatment I think we should be concerned that the resources of the NHS are probably being diverted away from some forms of life saving treatment, cancer treatment for example, to concentrate all it's efforts on Covid 19. Cancer, if untreated WILL eventually kill you, Covid 19 will if you're on of the unlucky ones.
I think the main reason for the lockdown was to try stop the NHS falling on its knees and no other reason. Now they’re not so busy, the government can afford to see a few more people infected, until we peak again (which I think is inevitable) then we’ll all be locked down again. The sights of people getting into work via the tube in London was like this thing had never happened.

I agree we need to move out of lockdown slowly (option 3) but the government need better control of the transport systems to try reduce the risk of the 2nd peak.
Round my way the last couple of weeks has seen a very significant rise in the number of people on the roads. And at the weekend there were a few little family groups out in one of our local parks, which was nice to see, when I was walking the dog.

I think you're probably right about the overwhelming of the NHS but I think better information early doors would have helped. Mrs W has a friend who is a GP and she said that she was inundated with people who had the symptoms but that only a small percentage of those needed medical advice or treatment. But because people were, initially, led to believe it was a death sentence there was understandable anxiety. Which quite possibly meant some people who genuinely needed treatment didn't receive it.

I also agree with you about a second peak. I think it is inevitable and whilst there is no cure or antidote it is pretty unavoidable. Which is the main reason I think we might just as well bite the bullet, take any sensible precautions we can, and get as many people working again as is possible.
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Re: Coronavirus

Post by JayK » Mon May 18, 2020 1:23 pm

mkhammer wrote:
Mon May 18, 2020 12:29 pm
Our Problems with this are not just "OUR" Problems...they are the Worlds problems and the Shortages,
high death toll in Care Homes...when and how do we come out of it...Have we done the right thing
in the handling of it...etc...are the same problems and questions,every Country is going thru...

But there a very small minority out there who want to blame the Government for every single
death...almost as if they actually started it and caused it...
Labour Party are after Political gain now...Press/Media..looking for any old story that will belittle
or put someone down....
Funny the BBC/Sky have covered this OK IMO.....whereas ITV with Piers Morgan,has been an absolute
Joke...to the point of embarrassment...he's actually taken it on himself to try and damage the government
cos they wont come on his pathetic show.
Labour trying to tell the Tories about the Financial implications and what they should do.... :lol:

The Stats and figures being put up by other countries are very questionable as well...I'd go as far to
say they are way way off the truth....
TBH think we're one of the few countries not trying to cover things up....unless it's for short term
benefits that is....which is a necessity with a thing like this...don't want any panic in early
days...the true stats will come out over time and not be hidden.

Hoping this week will see a dramatic down turn in cases/deaths....
Ridiculous all this political gain bs ain’t it. People are dying, don’t try to belittle others and score points at the expense of the dead. I fuckin hate politicians
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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Whiskyman » Mon May 18, 2020 1:25 pm

mkhammer wrote:
Mon May 18, 2020 12:29 pm


The Stats and figures being put up by other countries are very questionable as well...I'd go as far to
say they are way way off the truth....
TBH think we're one of the few countries not trying to cover things up....unless it's for short term
benefits that is....which is a necessity with a thing like this...don't want any panic in early
days...the true stats will come out over time and not be hidden.
What evidence do you have for saying any of that ? I wouldn't trust a government, ANY government, not to control the flow of information to it's best advantage.
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