Election Thread

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Who You Going To Vote For?

Poll ended at Tue Jun 13, 2017 5:19 am

Conservative
23
44%
Labour
17
33%
Liberal Democrats
3
6%
Green
1
2%
Scottish Lot
1
2%
UKIP
3
6%
Someone else
4
8%
 
Total votes: 52

Hammerwell
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Re: Election Thread

Postby Hammerwell » Sat Jun 17, 2017 2:19 pm

h69 wrote:
Hammerwell wrote:I'm not saying I like labour either , but least we'd of had some services put back instead of paying money on nothing as the Tories spend has gone sky rocket and more than labours in 10 years + ...... End of the day we will never be debt free and id now question if May did get the most votes , or if any election is 100% legit .


Another conspiracy theory Whacko !

By the way, compare the spending plans of both parties for the next 10 years. I do agree we will now never recover from the late 90s spending spree and be debt free but really.....a conspiracy that is designed to get a hung parliament...really ?



Ok so even with a top European banker who is confessing all of whats going on and the corruption within Governments , because you don't believe it then it's another whacky conspiracy theory .......... Hmmm , well I guess we are all entitled to have our own opinions on things and I respect everyone's .

As I've said before , I don't trust any of the government, although I do think in general local MPs are genuine and want to make it a better place to live for their voters , however I aslo believe once they get into power all of that goes and they become a public worker for the elite .....


BTW , I see the Prime minister is getting stick for her private visit of the london fire :( Not being in touch with the general public wasn't it ? ( Anyway that's another topic, and I'd say even more proof of how the government's think of certain people within this country ........ )
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Re: Election Thread

Postby Thames » Sat Jun 17, 2017 8:14 pm

Hammerwell wrote:
h69 wrote:
Hammerwell wrote:I'm not saying I like labour either , but least we'd of had some services put back instead of paying money on nothing as the Tories spend has gone sky rocket and more than labours in 10 years + ...... End of the day we will never be debt free and id now question if May did get the most votes , or if any election is 100% legit .




BTW , I see the Prime minister is getting stick for her private visit of the london fire :( Not being in touch with the general public wasn't it ? ( Anyway that's another topic, and I'd say even more proof of how the government's think of certain people within this country ........ )


Oh for fuck sake grow a pair of bollocks mate. Why the fuck would she want to be in touch with lefty wankers like you?

Go and march on a tree you all round fucking poof house!
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Re: Election Thread

Postby Thames » Sat Jun 17, 2017 8:51 pm

Neville Bartos wrote:
Thames wrote:And again national debt has doubled in less than 2 parliament's under the Conservatives.
And that was done living under austerity, with public services and the armed forces gutted.



Nev, can you add facts to your statement above?


Debt has risen from just over £1trillion in 2010 to £1.8trillion in 2017.
As percentage of GDP it's up from 65 to 85 over the same period.
National debt is at it's highest level since the 1960s.
Deficit targets set in 2010 and 2015 have not been met.
Even adjusted for inflation (which includes a hugely devalued pound) the figures show a continually upward trend -- a 53% increase in real terms.
It should be noted this upward trend began when the recession hit in 2008. Though much like immigration, the Conservatives continue to miss targets and fail to deliver on pledges of serious reductions.
To set a target they had no will to enforce is a lie, pure and simple. Saying 'we'll cut immigration', 'we'll cut the deficit', then doing neither is exactly the same as not doing either.
Not that you could or would put that in a manifesto.
I love politics. Power and money attracts liars and hypocrites like shit attracts flies. And yet somehow some of us still manage to find one shitty fly more appealing than another.


Thanks for your facts Nevski, they mean absolutely fuck all to me mate as Ive had far too many beverages over a bbq. I'll come clean thou Trotsk me old mate, I couldn't give a flying shizen about your figures.

Go and get Lilly Allen and go and light a candle with the socialist party in Kensington.

I'm off to count my money in my 50 acres and drink unbelievable amounts of champers :i am genuinely amused:

Pip pip, enjoy your march! :i am genuinely amused:
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Re: Election Thread

Postby Neville Bartos » Sat Jun 17, 2017 9:46 pm

Thames wrote:
Neville Bartos wrote:
Thames wrote:And again national debt has doubled in less than 2 parliament's under the Conservatives.
And that was done living under austerity, with public services and the armed forces gutted.



Nev, can you add facts to your statement above?


Debt has risen from just over £1trillion in 2010 to £1.8trillion in 2017.
As percentage of GDP it's up from 65 to 85 over the same period.
National debt is at it's highest level since the 1960s.
Deficit targets set in 2010 and 2015 have not been met.
Even adjusted for inflation (which includes a hugely devalued pound) the figures show a continually upward trend -- a 53% increase in real terms.
It should be noted this upward trend began when the recession hit in 2008. Though much like immigration, the Conservatives continue to miss targets and fail to deliver on pledges of serious reductions.
To set a target they had no will to enforce is a lie, pure and simple. Saying 'we'll cut immigration', 'we'll cut the deficit', then doing neither is exactly the same as not doing either.
Not that you could or would put that in a manifesto.
I love politics. Power and money attracts liars and hypocrites like shit attracts flies. And yet somehow some of us still manage to find one shitty fly more appealing than another.


Thanks for your facts Nevski, they mean absolutely fuck all to me mate as Ive had far too many beverages over a bbq. I'll come clean thou Trotsk me old mate, I couldn't give a flying shizen about your figures.

Go and get Lilly Allen and go and light a candle with the socialist party in Kensington.

I'm off to count my money in my 50 acres and drink unbelievable amounts of champers :i am genuinely amused:

Pip pip, enjoy your march! :i am genuinely amused:


I often enquire and comment on stuff I don't give a fuck about too! You're welcome though, tovarisch.

Can't abide Lily Allen, not too keen on any kind of organised political ideology, candles ain't my thing, and Kensington's a bit out of my way.
I will spare you a thought when I go for a shit later on though. That is the only march I'm planning on any time soon. :x
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Re: Election Thread

Postby mkhammer » Sun Jun 18, 2017 6:51 am

Debt is a necessity in world economics,it keeps money moving,it's not something to be
scared of or to be used to scare the general public with...

Take a look at this.

http://www.eudebtclock.org/

Germany,USA,Japan,all the worlds leading economies owe far more than we do..
And have a closer look and you will see who's debt is actually coming DOWN....Amazing IMO..

For the better run wealthier economies it's very much linked to population,the higher the population
the more debt you will have.
Bit like everyone having a Mortgage.
Look on it as.You run a successful company,employing 100s 1000s of people,these earn good money
and all have Mortgages,means they are millions in debt,you don't turn round and say,that's a
shit company,look at the debts they have..

The art is controlling your debts,like we all try to do.
With out the average Joe,Companies,Banks,Countries,having controllable debts
we would all be stuffed...

Does make me laugh when you see the so called experts banging on about
Debts a bad thing.
Still I suppose scaring people ,gets you on the telly,sells papers,and gets you into the Labour Party
it seems at the moment...
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Re: Election Thread

Postby Whiskyman » Sun Jun 18, 2017 9:20 am

mkhammer wrote:Debt is a necessity in world economics,it keeps money moving,it's not something to be
scared of or to be used to scare the general public with...

Take a look at this.

http://www.eudebtclock.org/

Germany,USA,Japan,all the worlds leading economies owe far more than we do..
And have a closer look and you will see who's debt is actually coming DOWN....Amazing IMO..

For the better run wealthier economies it's very much linked to population,the higher the population
the more debt you will have.
Bit like everyone having a Mortgage.
Look on it as.You run a successful company,employing 100s 1000s of people,these earn good money
and all have Mortgages,means they are millions in debt,you don't turn round and say,that's a
shit company,look at the debts they have..

The art is controlling your debts,like we all try to do.
With out the average Joe,Companies,Banks,Countries,having controllable debts
we would all be stuffed...

Does make me laugh when you see the so called experts banging on about
Debts a bad thing.
Still I suppose scaring people ,gets you on the telly,sells papers,and gets you into the Labour Party
it seems at the moment...


All true. And one of the reasons I always break out in fits of uncontrollable laughter when I hear people, including our owners, agonising about West Ham's "debt burden".

Say someone wants an extension to their home built , or they want a new car, doesn't it make more sense, in the current low interest rate environment, to borrow to fund the purchase than cashing in some of your investments? Many stock market investments are now yielding around 6% so it is a bit of a no brainer, isn't it?

Manageable debt makes the world go round.
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Re: Election Thread

Postby Thames » Sun Jun 18, 2017 6:49 pm

Nev and Hammerwell - may I apologise to you both for a load of expletive rubbish as I was under the influence of a few babychams and sherry chasers.

No hard feelings I hope whufc_crest
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Re: Election Thread

Postby Neville Bartos » Sun Jun 18, 2017 8:15 pm

Thames wrote:Nev and Hammerwell - may I apologise to you both for a load of expletive rubbish as I was under the influence of a few babychams and sherry chasers.

No hard feelings I hope whufc_crest


That is worryingly touchy feely, mate. Have you started reading The Guardian?
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Re: Election Thread

Postby Thames » Sun Jun 18, 2017 8:41 pm

Neville Bartos wrote:
Thames wrote:Nev and Hammerwell - may I apologise to you both for a load of expletive rubbish as I was under the influence of a few babychams and sherry chasers.

No hard feelings I hope whufc_crest


That is worryingly touchy feely, mate. Have you started reading The Guardian?


I feel I should. I think I'm becoming a liberal Nev, I had a chat with my flowers as I watered them this evening. I feel cleansed.
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Re: Election Thread

Postby Neville Bartos » Sun Jun 18, 2017 8:58 pm

Thames wrote:
Neville Bartos wrote:
Thames wrote:Nev and Hammerwell - may I apologise to you both for a load of expletive rubbish as I was under the influence of a few babychams and sherry chasers.

No hard feelings I hope whufc_crest


That is worryingly touchy feely, mate. Have you started reading The Guardian?


I feel I should. I think I'm becoming a liberal Nev, I had a chat with my flowers as I watered them this evening. I feel cleansed.


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