Neville Bartos wrote:Pennywise wrote:
The military already assist the Police in any of these cases, this has been the norm since the 7/7 attacks mate.
I said it needs to be done by a "well funded task force." That task force should be operate outside of normal policing duties. This force already exists, it needs strengthening, funding and a remit to try and gather as much intelligence as possible,
The goal is simple intelligence gathering, as I have already said. Confiscation of any communication devices and thorough questioning, where further leads avail themselves, they should be followed to their conclusion, where nothing is found, release and monitoring.
The finite detail and minutiae are not my job or concern, there are those who work in these areas that are far more qualified than I.
My heart will sink if we experience another attack and the words "The attacker was known to the security services" are uttered from a news reporter.
The military should have no role in policing their own citizens. If the military are involved that just means the security services are coming up short.
Look at the cuts, mate. Military down 20,000, police down 25,000. Even the promise of 'extra' armed police will only return levels to what they were in 2010.
A well funded task force, with a remit to circumvent the law, in the name of non specific intelligence gathering? Sounds very much like a secret police.
I don't think there's much doubt that these kinds of attacks will continue. I just hope we don't go down the route of paranoia and hate. I don't want to live in a police state, no matter how safe it is.
I agree, but there are anti-terrorist units that do work closely with their police counterparts, I've probably over exaggerated what role they would take in my imaginary task force.
I've not once suggested they circumvent the law, if the laws don't exist to allow the police services to do as has been suggested then the law needs looking at. We know who these people are, yet they are killing innocent people. The current process/procedures/laws are clearly insufficient.
I have also argued, as you have, that we need to be careful when giving our security services and government even more power, you only need to look at the arguments for more cctv on our streets. They would only be use for evidence in "serious crime" and to help protect us from terrorists.....you now have councils using them to fine people for putting the bins out on the wrong day.
But if the laws are not sufficient enough for the jobs that need to be done, then we need to trust that any laws that come in will only effect those it targets....wishful thinking I know.
The threat has changed, I don't even like calling these dickheads "terrorists." They're fucking nobodies with access to a vehicle and some kitchen knives.
The way we look after our citizens needs to change along with the threat in my opinion.