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Re: White City fire

Postby Whiskyman » Fri Jun 16, 2017 5:04 pm

Diamondhammer wrote:I wouldn't have expected Rydon to be at fault they are contractors working to a specification prepared to meet a clients brief it would be dendant though how the contract was let, for example Rydon may have had design responsibility and even though they engaged architects to prepare construction drawings the buck would stop with them. Personally I believe the manufacturer of the panels should be looking at themselves here. Just because something complies with the standards if there is evidence to suggest that the cladding system is unsafe as in other incidents worldwide then professionally they should have withdrawn their product from the marketplace.


I make you right there. If the contract was a typical council refurb I would imagine the in house architect would have provided the specification which in all probability hasn't been looked at or altered since Noah built his fucking ark.

No doubt it will all come out in the wash when the public inquiry takes place.
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Re: White City fire

Postby Thames » Fri Jun 16, 2017 6:43 pm

Terrible event obviously but to watch the left wing media whip up what they are now doing is fucking criminal.

Its the Tories fault, its the rich peoples fault, its anyones fault, but theirs. Now people want justice at the town hall....Riots next?...you betcha!

Lilly Allen will take a few in surely?
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Re: White City fire

Postby wokinghama » Fri Jun 16, 2017 6:54 pm

Such a bad, bad incident, my heart goes out to all affected. :(

Would the building inspector not have to sign the job off? (Or is that only at foundation stages of a build?)

If so, would they be employed by the council?

Someone (or people) need to be made accountable, certainly no sweeping under the carpet these days, unlike previous other disasters in England.
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Re: White City fire

Postby Dwayne Pipes » Fri Jun 16, 2017 11:12 pm

Nice to know Mr Mansur,spokesman for the residents was arrested on suspicion of terrorism whilst spokesman for the notorious Finsbury Park mosque a few years ago ?
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Re: White City fire

Postby terrya1965 » Sat Jun 17, 2017 12:01 am

Whatever is said,people should not be dying in a Tower inferno.

This is not Pakistan.This is Britain in 2017.

All these cuts are down to this happening,whether you like it or not.

Feed the Rich,Fuck the Poor....Maybe that should be the Tories logo at the next General Election. ;)
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Re: White City fire

Postby palerider » Sat Jun 17, 2017 9:10 am

It's tragic. Awful. And disgusting if cost-cutting has led to probably 70 plus deaths. What price do you put on a life ?

And somebody or somebodies have to be brought to account.

But watching the scenes at Kensington Town Hall and later in central London yesterday make me think that Corbyn and his Marxist cohorts are using this to their vile advantage,

I'm not suggesting Jezza isn't sympathetic to the grief. I think he's a nice old bloke actually. Just deluded. But there are many closely around him who in truth care little for the victims. This dreadful event couldn't have come at a better time for their march to power after Theresa May completely fucked up the election.

1400 people marched to Downing Street last night demanding the Tories are booted out. I saw banners from Socialist Worker and the Revolutionary Communist Group amongst the Justice for Grenfell ones. I wonder how many of these work-shy soap-dodgers actually live in or around White City. I wonder how many are legally in the fucking country.

This weekend will be the hottest of the year and tensions are high. Today or tomorrow it could turn very nasty indeed.

It's not the time to make political gain but Corbyn's Labour are doing just that and it's really what they stand for. A society where having a few bob is almost unlawful.

And why May, or whoever eventually replaces her as leader of the Conservatives, which I'd personally welcome, have to get their shit together and see out the storm.
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Re: White City fire

Postby terrya1965 » Sat Jun 17, 2017 10:27 am

palerider wrote:It's tragic. Awful. And disgusting if cost-cutting has led to probably 70 plus deaths. What price do you put on a life ?

And somebody or somebodies have to be brought to account.

But watching the scenes at Kensington Town Hall and later in central London yesterday make me think that Corbyn and his Marxist cohorts are using this to their vile advantage,

I'm not suggesting Jezza isn't sympathetic to the grief. I think he's a nice old bloke actually. Just deluded. But there are many closely around him who in truth care little for the victims. This dreadful event couldn't have come at a better time for their march to power after Theresa May completely fucked up the election.

1400 people marched to Downing Street last night demanding the Tories are booted out. I saw banners from Socialist Worker and the Revolutionary Communist Group amongst the Justice for Grenfell ones. I wonder how many of these work-shy soap-dodgers actually live in or around White City. I wonder how many are legally in the fucking country.

This weekend will be the hottest of the year and tensions are high. Today or tomorrow it could turn very nasty indeed.

It's not the time to make political gain but Corbyn's Labour are doing just that and it's really what they stand for. A society where having a few bob is almost unlawful.

And why May, or whoever eventually replaces her as leader of the Conservatives, which I'd personally welcome, have to get their shit together and see out the storm.



There is nothing wrong with people earning a few bob for a living.People that have good jobs with decent wages deserve that.

The tories though have never thought fairly for everyone.They just fight for their own.The Bankers were bailed out by the good old taxpayer and the working class got Austerity.Then there is privatisation,mostly sold on the cheap so the money men earn a fortune.The thing that really winds me up about it,is the taxpayer that still subsidises the private companies.

Another example this week,May`s MP`s lost their seats,they automatically get 28K plus other expenses,but May said she is going to help them out ,even though most of them have 3 or 4 other jobs.You couldn`t make it up,could you?

That is why many despise these people.
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Re: White City fire

Postby frogiron » Sat Jun 17, 2017 12:14 pm

terrya1965 wrote:
palerider wrote:It's tragic. Awful. And disgusting if cost-cutting has led to probably 70 plus deaths. What price do you put on a life ?

And somebody or somebodies have to be brought to account.

But watching the scenes at Kensington Town Hall and later in central London yesterday make me think that Corbyn and his Marxist cohorts are using this to their vile advantage,

I'm not suggesting Jezza isn't sympathetic to the grief. I think he's a nice old bloke actually. Just deluded. But there are many closely around him who in truth care little for the victims. This dreadful event couldn't have come at a better time for their march to power after Theresa May completely fucked up the election.

1400 people marched to Downing Street last night demanding the Tories are booted out. I saw banners from Socialist Worker and the Revolutionary Communist Group amongst the Justice for Grenfell ones. I wonder how many of these work-shy soap-dodgers actually live in or around White City. I wonder how many are legally in the fucking country.

This weekend will be the hottest of the year and tensions are high. Today or tomorrow it could turn very nasty indeed.

It's not the time to make political gain but Corbyn's Labour are doing just that and it's really what they stand for. A society where having a few bob is almost unlawful.

And why May, or whoever eventually replaces her as leader of the Conservatives, which I'd personally welcome, have to get their shit together and see out the storm.



There is nothing wrong with people earning a few bob for a living.People that have good jobs with decent wages deserve that.

The tories though have never thought fairly for everyone.They just fight for their own.The Bankers were bailed out by the good old taxpayer and the working class got Austerity.Then there is privatisation,mostly sold on the cheap so the money men earn a fortune.The thing that really winds me up about it,is the taxpayer that still subsidises the private companies.

Another example this week,May`s MP`s lost their seats,they automatically get 28K plus other expenses,but May said she is going to help them out ,even though most of them have 3 or 4 other jobs.You couldn`t make it up,could you?

That is why many despise these people.


All of that may very well be true Terry. It's an opinion.

But what has that to do with a fire in a block of flats?

You - along with many others - seem to be blaming this fire on "cuts", the Tories, the PM, Austerity programmes, capitalism and just about anything else that can be lumped in - as if a fire in a block of flats would never happen under a Labour government. I assume, by this logic, that Kings Cross was the Tories fault too? And therefore Aberfan was the Labour Party's fault?

This fire was not political. It was tragic event that took the lives of a lot of people.

To try to make political capital out of it - which the left are doing without a doubt - is repellent.

There are systems in place to ensure that building materials used on any project are considered acceptable by experts. To act as if some greedy developer popped down the market and got a load of cheap crap to bung on his block of flats ignores reality.

Materials must be properly licensed for use. They are inspected and OKd by experts. A council has building inspectors to ensure that the materials are correct, and correctly installed. And no building gets signed off for occupation unless he is happy and has OKd the project.

Sometimes all these many experts in their fields get it wrong, and a set of circumstances emerge that was unforeseen. Like Kings Cross. To then blame the PM is like blaming her because my car was recalled for a fault on the airbag.

And Thames. Mate, you've gone off on one again about the "left wing media". Can I suggest that you look at the BBC Website - your favourite lefty-liberal targets. Their coverage is very balanced. Calm. Factual.

Now have a look at Sky's Website. The right wing press. Murdoch. It is a disgusting, inflammatory, accusatory collection of shouty nonsense. It appears it is the right wing press who are getting all foamy-mouthed in this case mate.
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Re: White City fire

Postby terrya1965 » Sat Jun 17, 2017 12:30 pm

frogiron wrote:
terrya1965 wrote:
palerider wrote:It's tragic. Awful. And disgusting if cost-cutting has led to probably 70 plus deaths. What price do you put on a life ?

And somebody or somebodies have to be brought to account.

But watching the scenes at Kensington Town Hall and later in central London yesterday make me think that Corbyn and his Marxist cohorts are using this to their vile advantage,

I'm not suggesting Jezza isn't sympathetic to the grief. I think he's a nice old bloke actually. Just deluded. But there are many closely around him who in truth care little for the victims. This dreadful event couldn't have come at a better time for their march to power after Theresa May completely fucked up the election.

1400 people marched to Downing Street last night demanding the Tories are booted out. I saw banners from Socialist Worker and the Revolutionary Communist Group amongst the Justice for Grenfell ones. I wonder how many of these work-shy soap-dodgers actually live in or around White City. I wonder how many are legally in the fucking country.

This weekend will be the hottest of the year and tensions are high. Today or tomorrow it could turn very nasty indeed.

It's not the time to make political gain but Corbyn's Labour are doing just that and it's really what they stand for. A society where having a few bob is almost unlawful.

And why May, or whoever eventually replaces her as leader of the Conservatives, which I'd personally welcome, have to get their shit together and see out the storm.



There is nothing wrong with people earning a few bob for a living.People that have good jobs with decent wages deserve that.

The tories though have never thought fairly for everyone.They just fight for their own.The Bankers were bailed out by the good old taxpayer and the working class got Austerity.Then there is privatisation,mostly sold on the cheap so the money men earn a fortune.The thing that really winds me up about it,is the taxpayer that still subsidises the private companies.

Another example this week,May`s MP`s lost their seats,they automatically get 28K plus other expenses,but May said she is going to help them out ,even though most of them have 3 or 4 other jobs.You couldn`t make it up,could you?

That is why many despise these people.


All of that may very well be true Terry. It's an opinion.

But what has that to do with a fire in a block of flats?

You - along with many others - seem to be blaming this fire on "cuts", the Tories, the PM, Austerity programmes, capitalism and just about anything else that can be lumped in - as if a fire in a block of flats would never happen under a Labour government. I assume, by this logic, that Kings Cross was the Tories fault too? And therefore Aberfan was the Labour Party's fault?

This fire was not political. It was tragic event that took the lives of a lot of people.

To try to make political capital out of it - which the left are doing without a doubt - is repellent.

There are systems in place to ensure that building materials used on any project are considered acceptable by experts. To act as if some greedy developer popped down the market and got a load of cheap crap to bung on his block of flats ignores reality.

Materials must be properly licensed for use. They are inspected and OKd by experts. A council has building inspectors to ensure that the materials are correct, and correctly installed. And no building gets signed off for occupation unless he is happy and has OKd the project.

Sometimes all these many experts in their fields get it wrong, and a set of circumstances emerge that was unforeseen. Like Kings Cross. To then blame the PM is like blaming her because my car was recalled for a fault on the airbag.

And Thames. Mate, you've gone off on one again about the "left wing media". Can I suggest that you look at the BBC Website - your favourite lefty-liberal targets. Their coverage is very balanced. Calm. Factual.

Now have a look at Sky's Website. The right wing press. Murdoch. It is a disgusting, inflammatory, accusatory collection of shouty nonsense. It appears it is the right wing press who are getting all foamy-mouthed in this case mate.


I was more referring to " A society where having a few bob is almost unlawful"Frogiron.

Question..Do you really think the tories create a fair society?Do you think they are a party for the people or do you think,like me,they are the party for the wealthy,who do not care 2 f*cks about the other end of society?

For me MP`s,especially the tory one`s do not go in it for the good of the people,they go in it,to fill their own pockets.Don`t get me wrong,there are some decent one`s around,but few and far between.
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Re: White City fire

Postby Jacko1966 » Sat Jun 17, 2017 12:44 pm

frogiron wrote:
terrya1965 wrote:
palerider wrote:It's tragic. Awful. And disgusting if cost-cutting has led to probably 70 plus deaths. What price do you put on a life ?

And somebody or somebodies have to be brought to account.

But watching the scenes at Kensington Town Hall and later in central London yesterday make me think that Corbyn and his Marxist cohorts are using this to their vile advantage,

I'm not suggesting Jezza isn't sympathetic to the grief. I think he's a nice old bloke actually. Just deluded. But there are many closely around him who in truth care little for the victims. This dreadful event couldn't have come at a better time for their march to power after Theresa May completely fucked up the election.

1400 people marched to Downing Street last night demanding the Tories are booted out. I saw banners from Socialist Worker and the Revolutionary Communist Group amongst the Justice for Grenfell ones. I wonder how many of these work-shy soap-dodgers actually live in or around White City. I wonder how many are legally in the fucking country.

This weekend will be the hottest of the year and tensions are high. Today or tomorrow it could turn very nasty indeed.

It's not the time to make political gain but Corbyn's Labour are doing just that and it's really what they stand for. A society where having a few bob is almost unlawful.

And why May, or whoever eventually replaces her as leader of the Conservatives, which I'd personally welcome, have to get their shit together and see out the storm.



There is nothing wrong with people earning a few bob for a living.People that have good jobs with decent wages deserve that.

The tories though have never thought fairly for everyone.They just fight for their own.The Bankers were bailed out by the good old taxpayer and the working class got Austerity.Then there is privatisation,mostly sold on the cheap so the money men earn a fortune.The thing that really winds me up about it,is the taxpayer that still subsidises the private companies.

Another example this week,May`s MP`s lost their seats,they automatically get 28K plus other expenses,but May said she is going to help them out ,even though most of them have 3 or 4 other jobs.You couldn`t make it up,could you?

That is why many despise these people.


All of that may very well be true Terry. It's an opinion.

But what has that to do with a fire in a block of flats?

You - along with many others - seem to be blaming this fire on "cuts", the Tories, the PM, Austerity programmes, capitalism and just about anything else that can be lumped in - as if a fire in a block of flats would never happen under a Labour government. I assume, by this logic, that Kings Cross was the Tories fault too? And therefore Aberfan was the Labour Party's fault?

This fire was not political. It was tragic event that took the lives of a lot of people.

To try to make political capital out of it - which the left are doing without a doubt - is repellent.

There are systems in place to ensure that building materials used on any project are considered acceptable by experts. To act as if some greedy developer popped down the market and got a load of cheap crap to bung on his block of flats ignores reality.

Materials must be properly licensed for use. They are inspected and OKd by experts. A council has building inspectors to ensure that the materials are correct, and correctly installed. And no building gets signed off for occupation unless he is happy and has OKd the project.

Sometimes all these many experts in their fields get it wrong, and a set of circumstances emerge that was unforeseen. Like Kings Cross. To then blame the PM is like blaming her because my car was recalled for a fault on the airbag.

And Thames. Mate, you've gone off on one again about the "left wing media". Can I suggest that you look at the BBC Website - your favourite lefty-liberal targets. Their coverage is very balanced. Calm. Factual.

Now have a look at Sky's Website. The right wing press. Murdoch. It is a disgusting, inflammatory, accusatory collection of shouty nonsense. It appears it is the right wing press who are getting all foamy-mouthed in this case mate.


The fire is not political - but let's use it as an excuse to have a pop at Corbyn eh? Why? Because he wants those who have caused this to be held to account, and if that includes successive Tory governments then so be it. Or do we wait a few months, let the furore die down and hope people forget about it so that Maggie May can go on clinging to power by her fingertips? Of course it's political.
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