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Re: White City fire

Postby Gonzo » Sat Jun 17, 2017 12:52 pm

frogiron wrote:This fire was not political. It was tragic event that took the lives of a lot of people.




I could not agree more and one can only wonder what the current political blame game culture would make of Kings Cross or Zebrugger (spelling?)


I used to install bathrooms in these sort of high rise flats for Brent council (141 of them to be precise) so I know the workings of building contracts on high rise council properties.

Whilst it's a national tragedy and a ridiculously high death toll the fault/blame will be extremely localised. Somebody in the ALMO office, somebody in the construction team, somebody in health & safety or a combination of all three will have made the crucial decision.

We were contracted to refit 282 bathrooms but when the final tender was made we lost out and were moved on as were the kitchen fitters, flooring team and even the Gas engineers. We were recalled about a month later due to a series of gas and water leaks on the new kitchens & bathrooms.

The council had employed a firm using under-skilled and underpaid foreign workers with one guy running the the company and taking all of the profits. It transpired that the construction firm owner had given a brown envelope to the councilor who made the final decision.

If it had not been a gas leak and deemed to be dangerous there would have been no inquiry but it turned out corruption was rife in local government.

I would not be at all surprised if the cheaper flammable materials were used due to one persons greed or incompetence rather than May, Clegg, Cameron, Blair or anyone else for that matter.

To play party politics at this point is opportunistic point scoring and that's putting it nicely.

That being said the towers are a shocking way for people to live but many were erected in the 50's & 60's and not really fit for purpose now.

The ALMO's (arms length management organization) were a terrible idea but make no mistake about it . . . . . . . . if the local council had still retained the housing stock that block would still have been there with upgrades done on the cheap.
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Re: White City fire

Postby Gonzo » Sat Jun 17, 2017 8:33 pm

Here's the first of what will be many stories http://www.standard.co.uk/news/mayor/re ... 19961.html

I wonder how much planning he has passed in order to get these 'Gifts' from construction companies.

As I said all these social housing construction projects are local issues with decisions either based on greed or incompetence. There is no wider governmental conspiracy, just a few greedy useless cunts is enough to ensure regulations and planning are dodged.
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Re: White City fire

Postby Thames » Sat Jun 17, 2017 8:39 pm

frogiron wrote:
terrya1965 wrote:
palerider wrote:It's tragic. Awful. And disgusting if cost-cutting has led to probably 70 plus deaths. What price do you put on a life ?

And somebody or somebodies have to be brought to account.

But watching the scenes at Kensington Town Hall and later in central London yesterday make me think that Corbyn and his Marxist cohorts are using this to their vile advantage,

I'm not suggesting Jezza isn't sympathetic to the grief. I think he's a nice old bloke actually. Just deluded. But there are many closely around him who in truth care little for the victims. This dreadful event couldn't have come at a better time for their march to power after Theresa May completely fucked up the election.

1400 people marched to Downing Street last night demanding the Tories are booted out. I saw banners from Socialist Worker and the Revolutionary Communist Group amongst the Justice for Grenfell ones. I wonder how many of these work-shy soap-dodgers actually live in or around White City. I wonder how many are legally in the fucking country.

This weekend will be the hottest of the year and tensions are high. Today or tomorrow it could turn very nasty indeed.

It's not the time to make political gain but Corbyn's Labour are doing just that and it's really what they stand for. A society where having a few bob is almost unlawful.

And why May, or whoever eventually replaces her as leader of the Conservatives, which I'd personally welcome, have to get their shit together and see out the storm.



There is nothing wrong with people earning a few bob for a living.People that have good jobs with decent wages deserve that.

The tories though have never thought fairly for everyone.They just fight for their own.The Bankers were bailed out by the good old taxpayer and the working class got Austerity.Then there is privatisation,mostly sold on the cheap so the money men earn a fortune.The thing that really winds me up about it,is the taxpayer that still subsidises the private companies.

Another example this week,May`s MP`s lost their seats,they automatically get 28K plus other expenses,but May said she is going to help them out ,even though most of them have 3 or 4 other jobs.You couldn`t make it up,could you?

That is why many despise these people.


All of that may very well be true Terry. It's an opinion.

But what has that to do with a fire in a block of flats?

You - along with many others - seem to be blaming this fire on "cuts", the Tories, the PM, Austerity programmes, capitalism and just about anything else that can be lumped in - as if a fire in a block of flats would never happen under a Labour government. I assume, by this logic, that Kings Cross was the Tories fault too? And therefore Aberfan was the Labour Party's fault?

This fire was not political. It was tragic event that took the lives of a lot of people.

To try to make political capital out of it - which the left are doing without a doubt - is repellent.

There are systems in place to ensure that building materials used on any project are considered acceptable by experts. To act as if some greedy developer popped down the market and got a load of cheap crap to bung on his block of flats ignores reality.

Materials must be properly licensed for use. They are inspected and OKd by experts. A council has building inspectors to ensure that the materials are correct, and correctly installed. And no building gets signed off for occupation unless he is happy and has OKd the project.

Sometimes all these many experts in their fields get it wrong, and a set of circumstances emerge that was unforeseen. Like Kings Cross. To then blame the PM is like blaming her because my car was recalled for a fault on the airbag.

And Thames. Mate, you've gone off on one again about the "left wing media". Can I suggest that you look at the BBC Website - your favourite lefty-liberal targets. Their coverage is very balanced. Calm. Factual.

Now have a look at Sky's Website. The right wing press. Murdoch. It is a disgusting, inflammatory, accusatory collection of shouty nonsense. It appears it is the right wing press who are getting all foamy-mouthed in this case mate.



Frog mate, I actually man love you for your wonderful posts. But, how the fuck as an intelligent man you regard
Sky as 'right wing'....have you been on a crack pipe?...Sky, like most media outlets and political parties are left.

To watch 90% of media attacking Trump, Farage and May has been shameful. Desperate losers having a public dig at what the majority voted for.

Desperate fucking losers that keep on whining as they didnt get their own way.
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Re: White City fire

Postby Noni » Sat Jun 17, 2017 8:46 pm

58 presumed dead and that figure will rise over the week!.... Dogs are now used to search for more remains!!! :(

Actors, Musicians and now sports celebs are getting involved and hoping for these folks to be housed soon!....
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Re: White City fire

Postby Thames » Sat Jun 17, 2017 9:01 pm

Noni wrote:58 presumed dead and that figure will rise over the week!.... Dogs are now used to search for more remains!!! :(

Actors, Musicians and now sports celebs are getting involved and hoping for these folks to be housed soon!....



Of course they are, ever so fucking noble. Didnt hear one of these people pipe up over under age girls being gang raped across the country over the last 10 years.

Where are they when every fucking day kids are in dire trouble?

Anyone bringing out a record for the victims of terrorism?
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Re: White City fire

Postby Dwayne Pipes » Sat Jun 17, 2017 9:46 pm

Wonder if the fridge ,the alleged cause of the fire was bought in a Labour or Tory borough ?
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Re: White City fire

Postby Neville Bartos » Sat Jun 17, 2017 10:02 pm

Thames wrote:
Sky, like most media outlets and political parties are left.

To watch 90% of media attacking Trump, Farage and May has been shameful. Desperate losers having a public dig at what the majority voted for.

Desperate fucking losers that keep on whining as they didnt get their own way.

:i am genuinely amused:

Most media might be left of you, including the Mail, but left of you isn't 'left'.

When did 'the majority' ever vote for Trump, May or Nige?

You should dust your Blackshirt off, march down to Sky and light a fucking candle. Not of course that I give a fuck.
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Re: White City fire

Postby Thames » Sat Jun 17, 2017 10:21 pm

Neville Bartos wrote:
Thames wrote:
Sky, like most media outlets and political parties are left.

To watch 90% of media attacking Trump, Farage and May has been shameful. Desperate losers having a public dig at what the majority voted for.

Desperate fucking losers that keep on whining as they didnt get their own way.

:i am genuinely amused:

Most media might be left of you, including the Mail, but left of you isn't 'left'.

When did 'the majority' ever vote for Trump, May or Nige?

You should dust your Blackshirt off, march down to Sky and light a fucking candle. Not of course that I give a fuck.



:D :D This is now common with the soppy left moaning protesters, denying that a majority vote wins an election. Ok, did the minority vote win...... anything?
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Re: White City fire

Postby Neville Bartos » Sat Jun 17, 2017 10:46 pm

Thames wrote:
Neville Bartos wrote:
Thames wrote:
Sky, like most media outlets and political parties are left.

To watch 90% of media attacking Trump, Farage and May has been shameful. Desperate losers having a public dig at what the majority voted for.

Desperate fucking losers that keep on whining as they didnt get their own way.

:i am genuinely amused:

Most media might be left of you, including the Mail, but left of you isn't 'left'.

When did 'the majority' ever vote for Trump, May or Nige?

You should dust your Blackshirt off, march down to Sky and light a fucking candle. Not of course that I give a fuck.



:D :D This is now common with the soppy left moaning protesters, denying that a majority vote wins an election. Ok, did the minority vote win...... anything?


It's more to do with basic mathematics than 'the soppy left'. 'Winning' -- or a hung parliament -- and 'the majority' aren't the same thing.
Though I'm not convinced little things like facts will have much of an influence on the bollocks you keep posting. :D
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Re: White City fire

Postby Thames » Sun Jun 18, 2017 12:25 am

terrya1965 wrote:Whatever is said,people should not be dying in a Tower inferno.

This is not Pakistan.This is Britain in 2017.

All these cuts are down to this happening,whether you like it or not.

Feed the Rich,Fuck the Poor....Maybe that should be the Tories logo at the next General Election. ;)


Terry, can I ask you a question? Just because someone is wealthy, for whatever reason, probably hard graft is the main culprit...do you honestly think they should be penalised or berated against some fat fucking lard arsed ponce who hasnt done a days graft in their entire life?

Because, that's what happens in life, some people get off their arse and earn a few quid.......and some dont!

Forget the bankers (I know, its tough for a lefty)...look at your local butcher, I will guarantee he is well off and has a nice house, because hes worked hard for it. Look at your local plumber, he will be ok for turkey this crimbo because he has worked hard for it (not all of the fuckers I may add). Now, look at the lazy cunt who screams and moans about the horrible Tories, he works as a cunt, he aint like the others. He probably spends his whole life watching his fucking widescreen. Always fucking ill. Always eating shit and fucking smoking!

Fuck the scrounging bleating fucking left. Get a job you cunts and stop moaning how bad youve got it. A dentist will earn more than a warehouse worker....why? because the dentist learnt their trade and put the hours in! The warehouse worker was probably at home watching a box set of complete and utter cack whilst eating pizza and planning their next anti Tory march!
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