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Re: White City fire

Postby Gonzo » Sun Jun 18, 2017 12:50 am

Thames wrote:Fuck the scrounging bleating fucking left. Get a job you cunts and stop moaning how bad youve got it. A dentist will earn more than a warehouse worker....why? because the dentist learnt their trade and put the hours in! The warehouse worker was probably at home watching a box set of complete and utter cack whilst eating pizza and planning their next anti Tory march!



I can't have pizza eating being claimed by the left or box sets for that matter.

What about . . . . . . "The warehouse worker was probably at home watching Coronation Street whilst eating Subway and planning their next anti Tory march!' ?
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Re: White City fire

Postby doughboy » Sun Jun 18, 2017 2:24 am

Look at your local plumber, he will be ok for turkey this crimbo because he has worked hard for it (not all of the fuckers I may add).

Hahahaha...spot on, eh kris kickimmuts
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Re: White City fire

Postby mkhammer » Sun Jun 18, 2017 7:41 am

Trying to Gain Political advantage,I use the word Political Loosely in reference to the Labour Party..
Because of a fire that may or may not have been caused by an individual, or company,cost cutting
or whatever is an absolute fucking disgrace.
There's Families grieving in ways we can't imagine,and they're trying to make out Theresa May
lit the Match,nasty bunch of fucks...
It really is showing this Party,again loosely,in it's true colours,is there a level they won't stoop to.
I honestly don't think there is...

I hope when Parliament Returns,the decent MPs in the Labour Party and there's a great many
of them,have the Balls to step away from this present regime,and form their own party,
(hook up with the LDs,properly this time)
Because the present one needs to be crushed..

Been a Tory for a while now,but always respected the Labour party,
But this fuckin lot.....Nice Bloke my Arse,Happy to see the country brought to it's knees
with people scared and struggling, so he gets to be PM,thought fuckin Blair was Bad....
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Re: White City fire

Postby belfasthammer » Sun Jun 18, 2017 8:12 am

mkhammer wrote:Trying to Gain Political advantage,I use the word Political Loosely in reference to the Labour Party..
Because of a fire that may or may not have been caused by an individual, or company,cost cutting
or whatever is an absolute fucking disgrace.
There's Families grieving in ways we can't imagine,and they're trying to make out Theresa May
lit the Match,nasty bunch of fucks...
It really is showing this Party,again loosely,in it's true colours,is there a level they won't stoop to.
I honestly don't think there is...

I hope when Parliament Returns,the decent MPs in the Labour Party and there's a great many
of them,have the Balls to step away from this present regime,and form their own party,
(hook up with the LDs,properly this time)
Because the present one needs to be crushed..

Been a Tory for a while now,but always respected the Labour party,
But this fuckin lot.....Nice Bloke my Arse,Happy to see the country brought to it's knees
with people scared and struggling, so he gets to be PM,thought fuckin Blair was Bad....

Can't see how Labour has tried to make gain over this terrible disaster Teresa May is such a complete fuckwit that Labour don't have to move a muscle. Greater issues about how squeezed underfunded councils with imposed austerity take short cuts in their duties and services. Soup kitchens and food banks don't lie.
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Re: White City fire

Postby Ironworksfc » Sun Jun 18, 2017 8:31 am

belfasthammer wrote:
mkhammer wrote:Trying to Gain Political advantage,I use the word Political Loosely in reference to the Labour Party..
Because of a fire that may or may not have been caused by an individual, or company,cost cutting
or whatever is an absolute fucking disgrace.
There's Families grieving in ways we can't imagine,and they're trying to make out Theresa May
lit the Match,nasty bunch of fucks...
It really is showing this Party,again loosely,in it's true colours,is there a level they won't stoop to.
I honestly don't think there is...

I hope when Parliament Returns,the decent MPs in the Labour Party and there's a great many
of them,have the Balls to step away from this present regime,and form their own party,
(hook up with the LDs,properly this time)
Because the present one needs to be crushed..

Been a Tory for a while now,but always respected the Labour party,
But this fuckin lot.....Nice Bloke my Arse,Happy to see the country brought to it's knees
with people scared and struggling, so he gets to be PM,thought fuckin Blair was Bad....

Can't see how Labour has tried to make gain over this terrible disaster Teresa May is such a complete fuckwit that Labour don't have to move a muscle. Greater issues about how squeezed underfunded councils with imposed austerity take short cuts in their duties and services. Soup kitchens and food banks don't lie.


Got your head buried in the sand then
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Re: White City fire

Postby Whiskyman » Sun Jun 18, 2017 9:07 am

mkhammer wrote:I hope when Parliament Returns,the decent MPs in the Labour Party and there's a great many
of them,have the Balls to step away from this present regime,and form their own party,
(hook up with the LDs,properly this time)
Because the present one needs to be crushed..

Been a Tory for a while now,but always respected the Labour party,
But this fuckin lot.....Nice Bloke my Arse,Happy to see the country brought to it's knees
with people scared and struggling, so he gets to be PM,thought fuckin Blair was Bad....


Make you spot on mate. Said it before and will say it again. For democracy to work properly we have to have a credible opposition. By credible I mean an opposition capable of forming a decent government in it's own right. At the moment we don't. At least imo.

Funnily enough on the subject of respect one of the Labour MP's I always did have respect for was Tony Benn. I disagreed with pretty much everything he ever said but he never wavered in his beliefs. Contrast that with Tony Blair, to name just one, and the chameleon like twists and turns he made to make himself "electable".
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Re: White City fire

Postby frogiron » Sun Jun 18, 2017 10:48 am

Thames wrote:
frogiron wrote:
terrya1965 wrote:

There is nothing wrong with people earning a few bob for a living.People that have good jobs with decent wages deserve that.

The tories though have never thought fairly for everyone.They just fight for their own.The Bankers were bailed out by the good old taxpayer and the working class got Austerity.Then there is privatisation,mostly sold on the cheap so the money men earn a fortune.The thing that really winds me up about it,is the taxpayer that still subsidises the private companies.

Another example this week,May`s MP`s lost their seats,they automatically get 28K plus other expenses,but May said she is going to help them out ,even though most of them have 3 or 4 other jobs.You couldn`t make it up,could you?

That is why many despise these people.


All of that may very well be true Terry. It's an opinion.

But what has that to do with a fire in a block of flats?

You - along with many others - seem to be blaming this fire on "cuts", the Tories, the PM, Austerity programmes, capitalism and just about anything else that can be lumped in - as if a fire in a block of flats would never happen under a Labour government. I assume, by this logic, that Kings Cross was the Tories fault too? And therefore Aberfan was the Labour Party's fault?

This fire was not political. It was tragic event that took the lives of a lot of people.

To try to make political capital out of it - which the left are doing without a doubt - is repellent.

There are systems in place to ensure that building materials used on any project are considered acceptable by experts. To act as if some greedy developer popped down the market and got a load of cheap crap to bung on his block of flats ignores reality.

Materials must be properly licensed for use. They are inspected and OKd by experts. A council has building inspectors to ensure that the materials are correct, and correctly installed. And no building gets signed off for occupation unless he is happy and has OKd the project.

Sometimes all these many experts in their fields get it wrong, and a set of circumstances emerge that was unforeseen. Like Kings Cross. To then blame the PM is like blaming her because my car was recalled for a fault on the airbag.

And Thames. Mate, you've gone off on one again about the "left wing media". Can I suggest that you look at the BBC Website - your favourite lefty-liberal targets. Their coverage is very balanced. Calm. Factual.

Now have a look at Sky's Website. The right wing press. Murdoch. It is a disgusting, inflammatory, accusatory collection of shouty nonsense. It appears it is the right wing press who are getting all foamy-mouthed in this case mate.



Frog mate, I actually man love you for your wonderful posts. But, how the fuck as an intelligent man you regard
Sky as 'right wing'....have you been on a crack pipe?...Sky, like most media outlets and political parties are left.

To watch 90% of media attacking Trump, Farage and May has been shameful. Desperate losers having a public dig at what the majority voted for.

Desperate fucking losers that keep on whining as they didnt get their own way.


Morning Thames.

Hope you are well old chap.

Too early for me to indulge in my crack pipe mate. I save that for the afternoon on a glorious Sunday like today. Nice roast dinner, maybe treat myself to a glass of something chilled, then sit back in the old armchair, put my feet up, glass of port, pick up a good book and and relax with my highly addictive, personality deforming illegal and deadly drug habit. :i am genuinely amused: :i am genuinely amused:

Mate. Rupert Murdoch? Left Wing?

The owner of:
Fox Television
Fox News
Twentieth Century Fox Film
Searchlight Pictures,
BSkyB (U.K.)
Wall Street Journal (USA)
The Australian (Aus)
The Daily Telegraph (Aus),
Herald Sun (Aus),
The Courier Mail (Aus),
The Sun (UK),
The Times (UK)
New York Post (USA)
HarperCollins

The man who can make or break PM candidates in the UK. Who made sure Cameron got in. Made sure Blair got in. Made sure Maggie got in. No leader in recent memory got into office without his support.

This feller. This leading light of the gutter press.

He is a bleeding heart liberal lefty?

What I would ask is that you somehow make contact with him, and accuse him of being Left Wing.

I think it would be enough to tip him over the edge and make him give it all up and go live on an island somewhere where he can't bother decent people. Which would be nice.

:i am genuinely amused:
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Re: White City fire

Postby frogiron » Sun Jun 18, 2017 11:04 am

terrya1965 wrote:
frogiron wrote:
terrya1965 wrote:

There is nothing wrong with people earning a few bob for a living.People that have good jobs with decent wages deserve that.

The tories though have never thought fairly for everyone.They just fight for their own.The Bankers were bailed out by the good old taxpayer and the working class got Austerity.Then there is privatisation,mostly sold on the cheap so the money men earn a fortune.The thing that really winds me up about it,is the taxpayer that still subsidises the private companies.

Another example this week,May`s MP`s lost their seats,they automatically get 28K plus other expenses,but May said she is going to help them out ,even though most of them have 3 or 4 other jobs.You couldn`t make it up,could you?

That is why many despise these people.


All of that may very well be true Terry. It's an opinion.

But what has that to do with a fire in a block of flats?

You - along with many others - seem to be blaming this fire on "cuts", the Tories, the PM, Austerity programmes, capitalism and just about anything else that can be lumped in - as if a fire in a block of flats would never happen under a Labour government. I assume, by this logic, that Kings Cross was the Tories fault too? And therefore Aberfan was the Labour Party's fault?

This fire was not political. It was tragic event that took the lives of a lot of people.

To try to make political capital out of it - which the left are doing without a doubt - is repellent.

There are systems in place to ensure that building materials used on any project are considered acceptable by experts. To act as if some greedy developer popped down the market and got a load of cheap crap to bung on his block of flats ignores reality.

Materials must be properly licensed for use. They are inspected and OKd by experts. A council has building inspectors to ensure that the materials are correct, and correctly installed. And no building gets signed off for occupation unless he is happy and has OKd the project.

Sometimes all these many experts in their fields get it wrong, and a set of circumstances emerge that was unforeseen. Like Kings Cross. To then blame the PM is like blaming her because my car was recalled for a fault on the airbag.

And Thames. Mate, you've gone off on one again about the "left wing media". Can I suggest that you look at the BBC Website - your favourite lefty-liberal targets. Their coverage is very balanced. Calm. Factual.

Now have a look at Sky's Website. The right wing press. Murdoch. It is a disgusting, inflammatory, accusatory collection of shouty nonsense. It appears it is the right wing press who are getting all foamy-mouthed in this case mate.


I was more referring to " A society where having a few bob is almost unlawful"Frogiron.

Question..Do you really think the tories create a fair society?Do you think they are a party for the people or do you think,like me,they are the party for the wealthy,who do not care 2 f*cks about the other end of society?

For me MP`s,especially the tory one`s do not go in it for the good of the people,they go in it,to fill their own pockets.Don`t get me wrong,there are some decent one`s around,but few and far between.


I don't think any politician creates a "fair" society mate. Becasue what is "fair" depends where you are looking from. Thames' idea of a fair society would differ greatly from yours. And both of yours from mine. That is not to say any of us is right or wrong (although, it goes without saying, i am right :i am genuinely amused: ).

The only politician who has helped me progress from what was a pretty much pre-determined path as a youth, and tell me I can do more than work in some factory paying my union dues, tell me I did not have to go to University to get on, that if I worked hard and took risks they would actually make it as easy as possible for me to break out of the traditional Labour working-class ideal, was Thatcher. Thatcher was, in reality (well, my reality), the only truly working class leader I have experienced in my 58 years.
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Re: White City fire

Postby palerider » Sun Jun 18, 2017 11:54 am

frogiron wrote:
terrya1965 wrote:
frogiron wrote:
All of that may very well be true Terry. It's an opinion.

But what has that to do with a fire in a block of flats?

You - along with many others - seem to be blaming this fire on "cuts", the Tories, the PM, Austerity programmes, capitalism and just about anything else that can be lumped in - as if a fire in a block of flats would never happen under a Labour government. I assume, by this logic, that Kings Cross was the Tories fault too? And therefore Aberfan was the Labour Party's fault?

This fire was not political. It was tragic event that took the lives of a lot of people.

To try to make political capital out of it - which the left are doing without a doubt - is repellent.

There are systems in place to ensure that building materials used on any project are considered acceptable by experts. To act as if some greedy developer popped down the market and got a load of cheap crap to bung on his block of flats ignores reality.

Materials must be properly licensed for use. They are inspected and OKd by experts. A council has building inspectors to ensure that the materials are correct, and correctly installed. And no building gets signed off for occupation unless he is happy and has OKd the project.

Sometimes all these many experts in their fields get it wrong, and a set of circumstances emerge that was unforeseen. Like Kings Cross. To then blame the PM is like blaming her because my car was recalled for a fault on the airbag.

And Thames. Mate, you've gone off on one again about the "left wing media". Can I suggest that you look at the BBC Website - your favourite lefty-liberal targets. Their coverage is very balanced. Calm. Factual.

Now have a look at Sky's Website. The right wing press. Murdoch. It is a disgusting, inflammatory, accusatory collection of shouty nonsense. It appears it is the right wing press who are getting all foamy-mouthed in this case mate.


I was more referring to " A society where having a few bob is almost unlawful"Frogiron.

Question..Do you really think the tories create a fair society?Do you think they are a party for the people or do you think,like me,they are the party for the wealthy,who do not care 2 f*cks about the other end of society?

For me MP`s,especially the tory one`s do not go in it for the good of the people,they go in it,to fill their own pockets.Don`t get me wrong,there are some decent one`s around,but few and far between.


I don't think any politician creates a "fair" society mate. Becasue what is "fair" depends where you are looking from. Thames' idea of a fair society would differ greatly from yours. And both of yours from mine. That is not to say any of us is right or wrong (although, it goes without saying, i am right :i am genuinely amused: ).

The only politician who has helped me progress from what was a pretty much pre-determined path as a youth, and tell me I can do more than work in some factory paying my union dues, tell me I did not have to go to University to get on, that if I worked hard and took risks they would actually make it as easy as possible for me to break out of the traditional Labour working-class ideal, was Thatcher. Thatcher was, in reality (well, my reality), the only truly working class leader I have experienced in my 58 years.

My local MP, James Heappey is a Tory. A remainer incidentally, but that's by the way. As far as I know he's not lined his pockets and works very hard for the community.

But anyway. Comrade Corbyn wants to seize empty mansions to house the homeless from the tragedy. Is that part of your revolution Terry ? Whatever the rights and wrongs, they're owned by people. Is that your idea of fair ? Ask them by all means, but it's their decision.

The concept of class war, which is what Corbyn stands for, would drive the mega-rich abroad. And whatever taxes they do pay, and I accept they'll have schemes to minimise the amounts, the fact remains it brings in millions to the exchequer.

Marxism does not work. Rather than a redistribution of wealth within the course of a 5 year parliament it would lead to poverty beyond anything you could even think about right now.
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Re: White City fire

Postby Gonzo » Sun Jun 18, 2017 12:09 pm

Has Marxism actually worked anywhere?


I read a book years ago and I might be a bit hazy but it suggested that there were three stages . . . . Revolution | Transition | Power to the people.

It suggested that it never gets past stage 2 because those who gain power at the transitional stage get rich, enjoy it and decide that they don't actually want to relinquish power to the people after all.


I might have my marxism mixed up with my socialism or communism but in essence human greed/nature usually stops the Utopian ideal.

Not that any of that has any relevance to the block of flats of course .
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