You suggested there was no evidence for shorter sentences and I gave some. As for the angry white bloke comment I'd suggest you seem to have more steam coming out of your ears than most and by bringing colour into the debate (twice) you are hardly taking the moral high ground.
As for the left the whole support of Islam is hugely contradictory.
My wife founded and runs a charity for women, Historically the left were the bastions of women's rights but they drop it like a hot stone when Islam is involved. Across the middle east woman are fighting to be free of the imposed restrictions placed upon them but the left would have us believe that the Hijab is 'liberating' and about empowerment.
Gay rights is another subject traditionally protected by the left. Try and get a leftie to publicly comment on the attitudes that Islam has towards the homosexuality and once again they drop it like a hot potato. In April 2016 the BBC did a survey of normal Muslims up and down the country and 83% said homosexuality should be banned in the UK. I think it was Donald Trump who tweeted a video of gay men being thrown from high buildings (the chosen method by following Mohammeds teachings in the Hadith and based on the tale in the Koran from the story of Lott & Sodom).
As ever the Left were wading into Trump (who is a dick btw) but there was not so much outrage for the killings themselves. Once again the Left were reluctant to criticise Islam for anything at all and their main emaotion was anger for Trump rather than horror at the brutal killings.
In fact it's not just child grooming gangs which are predominately Muslim measured by every official figure but also the complete inactivity to do anything about female genital mutilation. It is estimated that over 30,000 such procedures are carried out every year yet there has never been a single conviction in this country. Once again the same mob on the left who bang on about Trump, Robinson & Hopkins say nothing.
When questioned as to why they don't mention the victims of the religious doctrine the lefties wheel out platitudes like "Well it goes without saying that we're appalled by the rape of kids" but funnily enough they never do say. Plenty of anti Jacob Reece Wotsit on their timelines but no so much about the trouble Islam is having adapting to Western values.
So whether it's women's, gay, animal or children's rights the left are vociferous enough unless Islam is involved.
Who would have thought that the political right would end up being the ones championing the rights of women, animals and the gay community at the point when the confused left go silent when they realise that what they stand for conflicts with the religion they seem to cover for at all costs.
So you'll excuse me if I remain steadfast when I say the the Hard Left's outrage at any criticism of Islam seems to supersede what used to be their moral compass
I would also remind you that it is proven fact that in Rotherham over 1300 victims of rape we're ignored and covered up by the police and local authority for 13 years because they were scared of being called racist. The fact that anyone attempting to tackle the elephant in the room is called a Nazi is precisely why we are in this mess.
You see someone has to speak about this. I have two very good Muslim friends who are not particularly devout but they said that their comunities won't discuss or condemn this sort of thing amongt each other. You have to appreciate that the culture is about honour and respect and it is not permitted to criticise the prophet in any way. So considering he married his 6 year old girlfriend then waited until she was pubescent at the age of 9 before consummating the marriage they will not condone relationships with minors because that is to cricisise the prophet himself which is 'haram'.
I really must take issue with these sweeping allegations. To take your last point first - and have another
to show I come in peace on this one - I'm reminded of my late father, God rest his soul, who used to come back from business trips abroad with authoritative statements like 'The French don't like Tony Blair' or 'I really like the Australians' - all based on dinners and drinks with no more than four colleagues from said countries.
With that in mind, allow me to share with you the insights I have from my Muslim friends and colleagues. It is but a small snapshot but it suggests that Islamic beliefs, customs and practices are maybe not homogeneous and that care should be taken to avoid assuming all Muslims think and act alike.
Many of the people I know are devout - say what you like about Muslims but you have to admire their discipline, particularly during Ramadan - and believe firmly in respect for family, elders, the mosque and their community. But they also want good education and career opportunities for their kids - boys and girls alike. These are all second and third generation, urban middle class Brits , although some have working class roots. I think their outlook is perhaps more secular than some families who have arrived in the UK from rural areas in Pakistan and Bangladesh more recently, relatively speaking.
I offer this up as some evidence that UK Muslim culture is changing and will continue to change, albeit slowly. I believe social 'assimilation' is happening in the UK but it is a process that requires respect, dialogue, understanding and time. A little love and peace wouldn’t go amiss either. But what it doesn't need are right wing rabble rousers.
It is from this point of view that I reject the notion that lefties give Muslims a free pass when it comes to the rights of women and LGBT people. The approach may be different but there ARE alternatives to the carping criticisms of Katy Hopkins and the camoflaged threats of Tommy Robinson.
Animal rights? Not sure about that. Is anyone doing enough? And you’re surely not trying to make a case, are you, that ‘Western’ methods of meat production are significantly more humane?
So, onto your point about Trump and that video. I think you are conflating two things. I think the video you are referring to was an ISIS execution vid. I think it was too graphic to be shown on TV but the event was widely reported and condemned on mainstream media. What Trump was heavily criticised for - and not just by the left, by the way - was for retweeting a fake news vid from a far right group in Europe.
And on ISIS - fucking ISIS - let’s be totally clear, show me anyone on the left who supports them and I’ll show you a complete nutter. I think lefties have different views on how ISIS propaganda should should be combatted - and on the government’s PREVENT campaign - but I know people in the community work business who I have done some good stuff with local Asian kids on this.
For the record, I don’t know any Muslim who supports or condones ISIS. They regard is as a perversion. They are all horrified by what happens when the insane get religion and guns. They are greatly concerned about the threat to their kids posed by ISIS propaganda. Again, small snapshot stuff, I know, but I offer it up anyway.
As far as genital mutilation is concerned, your criticism of the left on this one is harsh, innaccurate and unfair. And seeing as we are both reminding each other about stuff, let me point out that it is not a Labour government that has been starving local authorities and third sector organisations - over nearly a decade - of the resources required to do more about this terrible issue.
We have already discussed Rotherham at some length. I have pointed out that it was a journalist who uncovered this and that reforms have been taking place in care authorities across the country as a result of the Children’s Commissioner report of 2013. The far right only ligged onto this after it became public. It was also a local Labour MP, Ann Cryer, who did much to raise this issue with the police and council in a desperate bid to get something done about it at the time.
I’m not denying that fears of ‘appearing racist’ was highlighted as principal factor behind Rochdale’s care system failure - including the council and its community partners - but there were also other systemic failures involving the police and the council’s social services departments, which have also been acknowledged and addressed.
But sadly, I fear there will be more childcare scandals, irrespective of race/religion/culture. Child protection costs continue to escalate and local authorities have been hammered by government spending policies since 2008. The system is creaking. But maybe that should be a debate for another time
Right, that’s about it. I’m done. Thanks for reading. Sorry for all the ag. As mentioned before, no offence intended.
Peace. COYI. Out.