Neville Bartos wrote:
I don't think there's much doubt that child abusers are a huge problem.
What we're talking about here is a specific kind of grooming and sexualisation of young, usually vulnerable, women though.
The fact is that this goes on in every area of society and is carried out by every creed, colour and religion.
There's absolutely no doubt that gangs who carry this out are mostly Asian -- though it should be noted Quilliam, the think tank quoted by Penny, were specifically created to research Islamic issues.
Whilst individual cases like that of Barry Bennell accrue plenty of column inches, no one is calling for the same kind of scrutiny for these individual offences as they are for gangs. That's despite gang related sexual crimes against young people/children being less common.
I think this country as a whole has a problem with sexualising young people, and sexual offences in general. Germany for example, with a similar sized Muslim population to the UK, recorded virtually half the number of violent sex crimes as the UK.
David Cameron said something sensible once (yes, I know
). He said that the problem with Britain is that too many children are treated like grown-ups and too many adults are treated like kids and he was correct. We don't allow our children enough of their childhoods theses days.
As for the grooming gangs I'll be quite clear with my take on the situation.
The majority are not just Mulsim Pakistani but from provincial Northern Pakistan which is an important detail because it's very conservative. There is literally zero interaction between men and women in that culture and even then the women are not to be spoken to and covered from head to toe.
I believe that this is not helpful particularly when it comes to sexual frustrations and attractions which govern us all yet at every turn these instincts are suppressed. Clearly when this sort of culture finds itself in a Western society there is going to be trouble particularly when their holy beliefs tell them that a pubescent girl is fair game.
It's very important to understand that Muslim men get their moral compass from the prophet and his sexual exploits are not something I'm comfortable documenting on here but suffice to say it's makes Fred West look tame. I'm not talking about some dodgy Isis leaflet either, I'm talking about the mainstream understanding of the Prophets life as documented by Islam itself.
I believe that a combination of suppressed libido and religious doctrine is a breeding ground for sex gangs and that is why we are seeing the pattern repeated.
We struggle to trace the reasons behind Jimmy Saville's antics and psychology is still trying to work out why Fred & Rosie West committed those terrible crimes. The same experts try and explain the Fritzl case and others like it in the hope that there is some pattern that will help them stop the next horror.
These Muslim grooming gangs are different. Not only is there a pattern but it is reported, there are tip-offs and it's easy to spot. Unlike much of the other child sex abuse crimes we do know what is going on and it can be traced because the sequence of the events and demographic of the victims is the same every time.
Unlike the Rolf Harris's these are not opportunistic sexual predictors. These are planned and orchestrated with targeted victims and anything that is planned to such a degree represents an opportunity to recognise and thwart the crime before it grows.
I short many of the general public are frustrated because they can see the pattern that the authorities and the left dare not say.
Agreed. I think modern parenting forces kids to grow up too quickly. And there's a staggering number of stories about young children being left alone, or being allowed to wander about in public unsupervised.
There seems to be a generation of parents who see their children as something of an inconvenience. Instead of playing or engaging with their children they're all too often plonked in front of a TV or gaming system, or worse still ignored.
Anyway, onto grooming gangs.
I think you're right in that these gang members occupy some kind of cultural no man's land.
Caught between the ultra conservatism of their cultural/religious past and the sexual liberation of western society.
That said, a frightening number of men have a marked sense of entitlement when it comes to sex.
There are thousands of reported instances of drink spiking every year. And drug assisted rape is hard to detect, and reduces the likelihood of reporting and conviction.
The raw figures are frightening even if they're halfway accurate -- over three quarters of a million adult women in the UK say they've been victims of rape. The conviction rate for rape cases that go to court is 6%. Drugs like GHB can't be detected a few hours after use. And, tellingly, well over half of drug assisted rapes are carried out by people the victim knows.
These gangs appear to have exactly the same sense of entitlement. They also use drugs and alcohol to coerce/force vulnerable women into sexual relationships.
What I personally fail to see though is any moral difference between a Muslim rapist/abuser and a non Muslim rapist/abuser. Gang or no gang.
Surely the child aspect of these crimes has more to do with vulnerability than paedophilia?
In that regard I think the reasoning, if you can call it that, isn't the same as someone who is specifically looking to abuse children. It's more that young women and girls are easier to manipulate and coerce.
And you're right, it isn't opportunism, but far more often than not neither are individual cases of abuse and/or rape.
The gang aspect of grooming and abuse should make detection easier, though I would suggest the pattern for this kind of abuse is similar, irrespective of whether it's an individual or a gang.
What I still find staggering is that anyone would seek to cover this, or any kind of abuse, up.
Well thought out and considered as always, mate.
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