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Re: The Ashes - Official Thread

Postby Neville Bartos » Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:43 am

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Amazing how the Ozzies managed it though and that's the point. Nobody mentioned cheaply either Nev, just getting them out more often than not.

Fact is, as you said, we were never getting them out cheaply as we didn't have the tools to do it. If the pitch isn't helpful to seam, why on Earth are we picking guys who bowl at 80mph and rely on the pitch??

To win in Oz you need pace mate, it has been forever thus.


It wasn't amazing, mate. It was because we were giving our wickets away for nothing on decent pitches.
Just look at Lyon. No fucking way an offie, even a good one, should've picked up 20+ wickets in that series. In fact there's no way 4 bowlers on the same team should've all got 20+ wickets.
That's not to say our bowlers weren't unfit for purpose, but shit with 550 runs on the board is better than shit with 250 or 300.

We had similar bowlers in 2011. None of Anderson, Tremlett or Bresnan were express pace, but the batters put up huge scores on flat pitches and the Australians crumbled.
Top notch batting is the key in Oz.
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Re: The Ashes - Official Thread

Postby terrya1965 » Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:09 am

Neville Bartos wrote:
Pennywise wrote:
Amazing how the Ozzies managed it though and that's the point. Nobody mentioned cheaply either Nev, just getting them out more often than not.

Fact is, as you said, we were never getting them out cheaply as we didn't have the tools to do it. If the pitch isn't helpful to seam, why on Earth are we picking guys who bowl at 80mph and rely on the pitch??

To win in Oz you need pace mate, it has been forever thus.


It wasn't amazing, mate. It was because we were giving our wickets away for nothing on decent pitches.
Just look at Lyon. No fucking way an offie, even a good one, should've picked up 20+ wickets in that series. In fact there's no way 4 bowlers on the same team should've all got 20+ wickets.
That's not to say our bowlers weren't unfit for purpose, but shit with 550 runs on the board is better than shit with 250 or 300.

We had similar bowlers in 2011. None of Anderson, Tremlett or Bresnan were express pace, but the batters put up huge scores on flat pitches and the Australians crumbled.
Top notch batting is the key in Oz.


If you stick a big total on the scoreboard,it build pressure.It`s a mental thing.
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Re: The Ashes - Official Thread

Postby Pennywise » Thu Jan 11, 2018 4:42 pm

Neville Bartos wrote:
Pennywise wrote:
Amazing how the Ozzies managed it though and that's the point. Nobody mentioned cheaply either Nev, just getting them out more often than not.

Fact is, as you said, we were never getting them out cheaply as we didn't have the tools to do it. If the pitch isn't helpful to seam, why on Earth are we picking guys who bowl at 80mph and rely on the pitch??

To win in Oz you need pace mate, it has been forever thus.


It wasn't amazing, mate. It was because we were giving our wickets away for nothing on decent pitches.
Just look at Lyon. No fucking way an offie, even a good one, should've picked up 20+ wickets in that series. In fact there's no way 4 bowlers on the same team should've all got 20+ wickets.
That's not to say our bowlers weren't unfit for purpose, but shit with 550 runs on the board is better than shit with 250 or 300.

We had similar bowlers in 2011. None of Anderson, Tremlett or Bresnan were express pace, but the batters put up huge scores on flat pitches and the Australians crumbled.
Top notch batting is the key in Oz.


I agree our batsmen wasted too many chances, but Michael Holding agress with me, so ner ner na ner ner:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/42639889
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Re: The Ashes - Official Thread

Postby Neville Bartos » Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:47 pm

Pennywise wrote:
Neville Bartos wrote:
Pennywise wrote:
Amazing how the Ozzies managed it though and that's the point. Nobody mentioned cheaply either Nev, just getting them out more often than not.

Fact is, as you said, we were never getting them out cheaply as we didn't have the tools to do it. If the pitch isn't helpful to seam, why on Earth are we picking guys who bowl at 80mph and rely on the pitch??

To win in Oz you need pace mate, it has been forever thus.


It wasn't amazing, mate. It was because we were giving our wickets away for nothing on decent pitches.
Just look at Lyon. No fucking way an offie, even a good one, should've picked up 20+ wickets in that series. In fact there's no way 4 bowlers on the same team should've all got 20+ wickets.
That's not to say our bowlers weren't unfit for purpose, but shit with 550 runs on the board is better than shit with 250 or 300.

We had similar bowlers in 2011. None of Anderson, Tremlett or Bresnan were express pace, but the batters put up huge scores on flat pitches and the Australians crumbled.
Top notch batting is the key in Oz.


I agree our batsmen wasted too many chances, but Michael Holding agress with me, so ner ner na ner ner:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/42639889


Ah, Michael Holding, the smoothest voice in cricket.
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Re: The Ashes - Official Thread

Postby Moses » Thu Jan 11, 2018 10:45 pm

You are not a genuine Cricket fan if you think Garry fucking Ballance should be anywhere near the squad.

The man has the worst technique of anyone I have seen bat for England. And I include tailenders in that. His average for England is bloated up by first coming on the scene when in a rich vein of form for his county and playing against shit, as well as being an unknown quantity. Now, with that technique, he will forever be a walking wicket at international level.
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Re: The Ashes - Official Thread

Postby Neville Bartos » Fri Jan 12, 2018 2:02 am

Moses wrote:You are not a genuine Cricket fan if you think Garry fucking Ballance should be anywhere near the squad.

The man has the worst technique of anyone I have seen bat for England. And I include tailenders in that. His average for England is bloated up by first coming on the scene when in a rich vein of form for his county and playing against shit, as well as being an unknown quantity. Now, with that technique, he will forever be a walking wicket at international level.


Yeah, but can anyone be worse than Vince?
12 tests as a specialist batsman and he averages 22. Twenty fucking two. To put that into context, Graeme Swann's average was also 22.
My nan should be ahead of Vince at this point. :D
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Re: The Ashes - Official Thread

Postby Moses » Fri Jan 12, 2018 2:03 pm

Well yes, he would be much worse than Vince, firstly because he's not even English, and secondly because at least Vince shows some promise that he could at least come good. Ballance has a disgraceful technique, has had THREE chances now, and has been an absolute walking wicket. The only reason he was anywhere near this squad was because he is best mates with Joe Root, that is an indisputable fact.

Still, that's not to say Vince is the answer, but I'd have Vince playing with one arm over Ballance.
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Re: The Ashes - Official Thread

Postby palerider » Fri Jan 12, 2018 4:57 pm

I'd sooner have Gary fucking Glitter in the team than Ballance.
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Re: The Ashes - Official Thread

Postby Neville Bartos » Fri Jan 12, 2018 10:09 pm

Considering preferring Ballance to Vince is like saying you'd rather stand in cat shit than dog shit, there's no argument to be had here.
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Re: The Ashes - Official Thread

Postby palerider » Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:48 am

Neither Ballance or Vince are even close to being good enough. Ballance has a dreadful static technique, Vince really weak outside off stump.

The best batsmen in the world have traditionally batted at 3. Tendulkar, Ponting, Dravid. Now it's Williamson, Kohli and Smith. I don't care what Joe Root prefers, he must bat there for the good of the team. And I've said before, Stokes is good enough to bat at 4. A sound technique and good temperament on the field if not outside night-clubs. Malan seems to have a spine and I'd stick with Cook and Stoneman for now only because there's no alternative although I agree Hamid might develop.

Ali isn't good enough either although a good record in England, so his batting keeps him in for now and you shouldn't kick them all out at once. But you should with Broad. He's finished.

Forget New Zealand, the squad's picked. But for next Summer.

Cook
Stoneman
Root
Stokes
Malan
Bairstow....good enough at 6.
Lawrence (Essex) ...huge potential and a 'wild card'
Ali
Woakes..... does just enough but has to stay clear of injuries
Wood....Big injury concerns but we need real pace. If not, Garton of Sussex. Raw but very quick.
Anderson....Although his time is coming to an end. We need to look for his replacement soon.
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