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Re: Jonathan Pie.

Post by Pennywise » Wed Apr 11, 2018 5:38 pm

Neville Bartos wrote:
Gonzo wrote:There is so much good stuff out there at the moment.

Comedy aside the real debate is happening on YouTube and there are some cracking opinions by some very switched on people about all the taboo subjects.

How long the propaganda of shows like Question Time can continue when there is so much raw and honest debate being recorded by professors & academics remains to be seen
I think you're right Gonzo. Unfortunately, in the real world everyone seems terrified of voicing an opinion that may cause offence, or damage their profile.
Places like YouTube and Twitter (for all their faults) at least offer a degree of anonimity. Which does give people the confidence, and lack of consequence, to voice their true opinions.
Though often the sensible and reasonable are drowned out by all the extreme nonsense. Swings and roundabouts, I suppose.
I agree mostly mate, but I think the extreme nonsense in social media is a strength to be honest. As much as the views you see on some platforms may seem extreme, they are views that are held whether we like it or not. Social media at least gives you the opportunity to see those opinions and engage should you choose. You can't form an opinion on a view unless you've heard or read it.

Saying that, the counter is that most social media platforms will trend massively to confirmation bias so some will only see opinions they agree with.

Anyhoo, Me Pie, he's great.
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Re: Jonathan Pie.

Post by Gonzo » Wed Apr 11, 2018 5:49 pm

Neville Bartos wrote:
Gonzo wrote:There is so much good stuff out there at the moment.

Comedy aside the real debate is happening on YouTube and there are some cracking opinions by some very switched on people about all the taboo subjects.

How long the propaganda of shows like Question Time can continue when there is so much raw and honest debate being recorded by professors & academics remains to be seen
I think you're right Gonzo. Unfortunately, in the real world everyone seems terrified of voicing an opinion that may cause offence, or damage their profile.
Places like YouTube and Twitter (for all their faults) at least offer a degree of anonimity. Which does give people the confidence, and lack of consequence, to voice their true opinions.
Though often the sensible and reasonable are drowned out by all the extreme nonsense. Swings and roundabouts, I suppose.
The tide is turning though mate because television ratings are dropping all the time.

People are voting with their feet (or fingers) and many of the public are aware they they are spoon fed propaganda under the guise of impartiality. At least I know what I'm getting if I'm watching a Steven Crowder video and anyone who leans to the left can watch their own version.

For those that don't know him here is one of his most famous videos on a subject close to his heart.

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Re: Jonathan Pie.

Post by h69 » Wed Apr 11, 2018 5:56 pm

Gonzo wrote:
Neville Bartos wrote:
I think you're right Gonzo. Unfortunately, in the real world everyone seems terrified of voicing an opinion that may cause offence, or damage their profile.
Places like YouTube and Twitter (for all their faults) at least offer a degree of anonimity. Which does give people the confidence, and lack of consequence, to voice their true opinions.
Though often the sensible and reasonable are drowned out by all the extreme nonsense. Swings and roundabouts, I suppose.
The tide is turning though mate because television ratings are dropping all the time.

People are voting with their feet (or fingers) and many of the public are aware they they are spoon fed propaganda under the guise of impartiality. At least I know what I'm getting if I'm watching a Steven Crowder video and anyone who leans to the left can watch their own version.

For those that don't know him here is one of his most famous videos on a subject close to his heart.

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Ive seen that video......I genuinely wanted to scream at that 'Woman'
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Re: Jonathan Pie.

Post by Gonzo » Wed Apr 11, 2018 6:26 pm

Pennywise wrote:
Neville Bartos wrote:
I think you're right Gonzo. Unfortunately, in the real world everyone seems terrified of voicing an opinion that may cause offence, or damage their profile.
Places like YouTube and Twitter (for all their faults) at least offer a degree of anonimity. Which does give people the confidence, and lack of consequence, to voice their true opinions.
Though often the sensible and reasonable are drowned out by all the extreme nonsense. Swings and roundabouts, I suppose.
I agree mostly mate, but I think the extreme nonsense in social media is a strength to be honest. As much as the views you see on some platforms may seem extreme, they are views that are held whether we like it or not. Social media at least gives you the opportunity to see those opinions and engage should you choose. You can't form an opinion on a view unless you've heard or read it.

Saying that, the counter is that most social media platforms will trend massively to confirmation bias so some will only see opinions they agree with.

Anyhoo, Me Pie, he's great.

yeah and I'm a a big culprit of that.

The Antifa and momentum stuff in particular I tend to block because I hate it and find it quite aggressive so therefore I'll miss the things from the other side of the argument that are spoken calmly.

That being said the debate videos that I watch will generally be with one member of the right and many from the left as they tend to take place on University campus. Therefore I am sort of hearing the other side of the argument by stealth abeit from those in the left who are wet behind the ears and not particularly accomplished at debate. In truth though I rarely find that the left debate particularly well because they tend to become quite emotive and attempt to trump facts with feelings.

What do they say though. . . . . . If you are not a socialist by the time your 16 you have no heart and if you are not a Conservative by the time your 30 you have no job.
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Re: Jonathan Pie.

Post by Gonzo » Wed Apr 11, 2018 6:35 pm

h69 wrote:
Gonzo wrote:
The tide is turning though mate because television ratings are dropping all the time.

People are voting with their feet (or fingers) and many of the public are aware they they are spoon fed propaganda under the guise of impartiality. At least I know what I'm getting if I'm watching a Steven Crowder video and anyone who leans to the left can watch their own version.

For those that don't know him here is one of his most famous videos on a subject close to his heart.

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Ive seen that video......I genuinely wanted to scream at that 'Woman'
I watch him and Ben Shapiro on a weekly basis so I see those snowflakes constantly. I tend to switch off when they discuss the gun stuff because I don't agree with much of it but in the main they are very switched on.


This is also a decent one and a lot of common sense spoken after 35mins

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Re: Jonathan Pie.

Post by h69 » Wed Apr 11, 2018 7:08 pm

Gonzo wrote:
Pennywise wrote:
I agree mostly mate, but I think the extreme nonsense in social media is a strength to be honest. As much as the views you see on some platforms may seem extreme, they are views that are held whether we like it or not. Social media at least gives you the opportunity to see those opinions and engage should you choose. You can't form an opinion on a view unless you've heard or read it.

Saying that, the counter is that most social media platforms will trend massively to confirmation bias so some will only see opinions they agree with.

Anyhoo, Me Pie, he's great.

yeah and I'm a a big culprit of that.

The Antifa and momentum stuff in particular I tend to block because I hate it and find it quite aggressive so therefore I'll miss the things from the other side of the argument that are spoken calmly.

That being said the debate videos that I watch will generally be with one member of the right and many from the left as they tend to take place on University campus. Therefore I am sort of hearing the other side of the argument by stealth abeit from those in the left who are wet behind the ears and not particularly accomplished at debate. In truth though I rarely find that the left debate particularly well because they tend to become quite emotive and attempt to trump facts with feelings.

What do they say though. . . . . . If you are not a socialist by the time your 16 you have no heart and if you are not a Conservative by the time your 30 you have no job.
I thought it was : If you are not a socialist at 20 you have no heart and if you are still one at 40 you have no brain
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Re: Jonathan Pie.

Post by Gonzo » Wed Apr 11, 2018 8:06 pm

h69 wrote:
Gonzo wrote:

yeah and I'm a a big culprit of that.

The Antifa and momentum stuff in particular I tend to block because I hate it and find it quite aggressive so therefore I'll miss the things from the other side of the argument that are spoken calmly.

That being said the debate videos that I watch will generally be with one member of the right and many from the left as they tend to take place on University campus. Therefore I am sort of hearing the other side of the argument by stealth abeit from those in the left who are wet behind the ears and not particularly accomplished at debate. In truth though I rarely find that the left debate particularly well because they tend to become quite emotive and attempt to trump facts with feelings.

What do they say though. . . . . . If you are not a socialist by the time your 16 you have no heart and if you are not a Conservative by the time your 30 you have no job.
I thought it was : If you are not a socialist at 20 you have no heart and if you are still one at 40 you have no brain
It may well be mate, maybe I'd heard a bastardised version. Either way they both work. :D
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Re: Jonathan Pie.

Post by Neville Bartos » Thu Apr 12, 2018 4:21 pm

Gonzo wrote:
Neville Bartos wrote:
I think you're right Gonzo. Unfortunately, in the real world everyone seems terrified of voicing an opinion that may cause offence, or damage their profile.
Places like YouTube and Twitter (for all their faults) at least offer a degree of anonimity. Which does give people the confidence, and lack of consequence, to voice their true opinions.
Though often the sensible and reasonable are drowned out by all the extreme nonsense. Swings and roundabouts, I suppose.
The tide is turning though mate because television ratings are dropping all the time.

People are voting with their feet (or fingers) and many of the public are aware they they are spoon fed propaganda under the guise of impartiality. At least I know what I'm getting if I'm watching a Steven Crowder video and anyone who leans to the left can watch their own version.

For those that don't know him here is one of his most famous videos on a subject close to his heart.

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To be fair I think you need to be switched on to propaganda and bias wherever you choose to get your news, and read your opinion pieces.

For me a frightening number of people tend to consume only that which fits their own personal bias and agenda.
Using news, and other media, to support their own opinions and ideas rather than challenging them.
I think that drives the divisive narrative we see in many areas of society.
Many people aren't interested in other, or opposing opinions, it's all about finding that which is agreeable and easy to digest.
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Re: Jonathan Pie.

Post by terrya1965 » Sat Apr 14, 2018 12:06 am

There are a lot of follow followers in this country.

Many believe the propaganda that is spewed from the media with their scaremongering.A lot of people that have no minds of their own and believe what is written mainly in the tory media.
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Re: Jonathan Pie.

Post by Neville Bartos » Sat Apr 14, 2018 12:48 am

terrya1965 wrote:There are a lot of follow followers in this country.

Many believe the propaganda that is spewed from the media with their scaremongering.A lot of people that have no minds of their own and believe what is written mainly in the tory media.
No bugger wants to think, Terry. Or fact check, or research, or look at the sources of stories and information, or even care about the veracity of what they're told.
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