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Re: The Mogg is circling...

Post by Neville Bartos » Wed Mar 13, 2019 10:52 pm

Gonzo wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:08 pm
Well at least the cards on finally on the table.

The politicians have ruled against the largest democratic mandate in the countries history. I'd imagine a considerable number of MP's will lose their seat at the next election.
They've voted against Mrs May's version of what the country voted for. And now Boris Johnson's version too.
I've said it before and I'm sure I'll say it again, the leave option was beyond vague. It covered everything from soft Brexit to no deal. I maintain it was ridiculous not to have a plan in place before the referendum.
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Re: The Mogg is circling...

Post by mkhammer » Thu Mar 14, 2019 9:36 am

Gonzo wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:08 pm
Well at least the cards on finally on the table.

The politicians have ruled against the largest democratic mandate in the countries history. I'd imagine a considerable number of MP's will lose their seat at the next election.

I think what they should do mate,is TO put their cards on the table,instead of the backhanded way
they're doing it,and come out and say...Parliament doesn't want to leave...So...were going to overturn
a public mandate....at least have the balls to do it..
I think the Labour party are done...it was the Labour supporting areas that were overwhelming in
their leave votes,yet they bang on about doing what the public want, and what is best for them.
Absolutely and totally ignoring peoples fears and concerns in the reason why they voted leave,
they are a fuckin disgrace.....takes an awful lot to get me angry and wound up,but this lot have.
The only reason we aren't leaving with a proper deal in place is because of London and Scotland,
rest of the UK (wales was close) is overwhelming leave..
MPs are there to represent the Public..if they don't we need to start looking at Parliaments
set up, and MPs in general.
We have to ask why is most of parliament so steadfast in being remain,and rest of country
individually is split...surely naturally they would reflect that opinion...bit of self preservation
going on ...I reckon..maintain the status quo, and their seats..

Yesterday,end of the day it means diddly,was done for themselves,has no legal justification at all.
The only poss way they get some kinda "No deal"...is to revoke article 50...good luck with that one.
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Re: The Mogg is circling...

Post by mkhammer » Thu Mar 14, 2019 9:46 am

palerider wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 5:30 pm
mkhammer wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 5:27 pm
Just watched an interview with with Some MPs outside Parliament on Sky...
One of them was Catherine Mckinnell (Newcastle North) ....so she goes on,I must do what is best
for, and what my constituents and the north east want,we've had 10 years of moving forward
our economy is improving...things are on the up, we cant risk losing it all by leaving....
We must put it back to the voters...Blah..Blah...Blah..

So first of all.....the north east was was one of the strongest areas voting leave,knocking round
60/40.....and er... think she needs to check which Government was/is
in power for her improving economy...Seriously WTF...what planet are these people on...

Just another example of what is going on with our Parliament.....absolutely fuckin ignoring people...
and doing what they Personally want..
She, like many other Labour MP's will have been ordered to vote against anything May comes up with as Corbyn's dream is a Marxist government and he doesn't give a fuck how he does it.
Exactly mate...that's what pissing me off.....be anti brexit,by all means,wouldn't expect
anything less,was never ever gonna be straightforward...but do it from the heart,not for an
ulterior motive...and risking the countries future....I'd have the fuckers in the tower...(no smiley)

What that dick doesn't realise is that.....the "Labour" want of a better word...fuck knows what
they are now....the labour lot are sat back hoping the Tories implode,and they somehow,in cloud
cuckooland win an election.....then they'll fuck him off.....blokes an idiot... :lol:
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Re: The Mogg is circling...

Post by Neville Bartos » Thu Mar 14, 2019 10:06 am

mkhammer wrote:
Thu Mar 14, 2019 9:36 am
Gonzo wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:08 pm
Well at least the cards on finally on the table.

The politicians have ruled against the largest democratic mandate in the countries history. I'd imagine a considerable number of MP's will lose their seat at the next election.

I think what they should do mate,is TO put their cards on the table,instead of the backhanded way
they're doing it,and come out and say...Parliament doesn't want to leave...So...were going to overturn
a public mandate....at least have the balls to do it..
I think the Labour party are done...it was the Labour supporting areas that were overwhelming in
their leave votes,yet they bang on about doing what the public want, and what is best for them.
Absolutely and totally ignoring peoples fears and concerns in the reason why they voted leave,
they are a fuckin disgrace.....takes an awful lot to get me angry and wound up,but this lot have.
The only reason we aren't leaving with a proper deal in place is because of London and Scotland,
rest of the UK (wales was close) is overwhelming leave..
MPs are there to represent the Public..if they don't we need to start looking at Parliaments
set up, and MPs in general.
We have to ask why is most of parliament so steadfast in being remain,and rest of country
individually is split...surely naturally they would reflect that opinion...bit of self preservation
going on ...I reckon..maintain the status quo, and their seats..

Yesterday,end of the day it means diddly,was done for themselves,has no legal justification at all.
The only poss way they get some kinda "No deal"...is to revoke article 50...good luck with that one.
Mate, don't confuse not wanting May's deal or a no deal with remaining. The ERG voted against May's deal and I'm reasonably certain they're not remainers.
As for blaming Labour for everything? Hmmmm. Being fucking useless appears to have no favourites in the House of Commons these days.

Anyway May is, astonishingly, going for the hat-trick. And this time instead of bribery she's going with the threat of 'a long delay to Brexit'.
The woman hass properly lost the plot.
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Re: The Mogg is circling...

Post by mkhammer » Thu Mar 14, 2019 10:43 am

Neville Bartos wrote:
Thu Mar 14, 2019 10:06 am
mkhammer wrote:
Thu Mar 14, 2019 9:36 am



I think what they should do mate,is TO put their cards on the table,instead of the backhanded way
they're doing it,and come out and say...Parliament doesn't want to leave...So...were going to overturn
a public mandate....at least have the balls to do it..
I think the Labour party are done...it was the Labour supporting areas that were overwhelming in
their leave votes,yet they bang on about doing what the public want, and what is best for them.
Absolutely and totally ignoring peoples fears and concerns in the reason why they voted leave,
they are a fuckin disgrace.....takes an awful lot to get me angry and wound up,but this lot have.
The only reason we aren't leaving with a proper deal in place is because of London and Scotland,
rest of the UK (wales was close) is overwhelming leave..
MPs are there to represent the Public..if they don't we need to start looking at Parliaments
set up, and MPs in general.
We have to ask why is most of parliament so steadfast in being remain,and rest of country
individually is split...surely naturally they would reflect that opinion...bit of self preservation
going on ...I reckon..maintain the status quo, and their seats..

Yesterday,end of the day it means diddly,was done for themselves,has no legal justification at all.
The only poss way they get some kinda "No deal"...is to revoke article 50...good luck with that one.
Mate, don't confuse not wanting May's deal or a no deal with remaining. The ERG voted against May's deal and I'm reasonably certain they're not remainers.
As for blaming Labour for everything? Hmmmm. Being fucking useless appears to have no favourites in the House of Commons these days.

Anyway May is, astonishingly, going for the hat-trick. And this time instead of bribery she's going with the threat of 'a long delay to Brexit'.
The woman hass properly lost the plot.
No I totally get that mate...nobody in there right mind WANTS a No deal situation,but unfortunately
we really are in a no deal is better area...and that must be there in the background.
So some are saying at least Mays deal has us part/most of the way there..it's just that F.in backstop.
It's so so tricky mate...I honestly not to sure now what i would be doing now if a Tory MP Leaver.
You wanna stand by yer guns...but we do have to compromise.
There was some really distraught Tories there last night...the whole thing is fucked up..
When that happens return to default and start again..but we cant do that....

We see it differently ..my admiration of May grows every day,you have have something to do
and you feel it's right...Never Ever give up till the very end.....I try and see the big picture,
not always successful granted.. :lol: but I just cant see what see is doing wrong,as she keeps
on saying ,shes trying to put a brexit in place that the public voted for, not what the bulk of
Parliament want....I believe shes trying...trying to do that.

Again I say the Public voted to leave...leave the Customs Union and all that goes with remaining
in that...Freedom of movement etc...thats what shes trying to get thru...that is what Labour,
and others are trying to prevent...I know which side I'm on....the Peoples...not Parliaments..

And I'm sorry mate but Labour have well and truly fucked me off over this...and I've never ever
been a Labour/Socialist disliker...
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Re: The Mogg is circling...

Post by palerider » Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:08 am

mkhammer wrote:
Thu Mar 14, 2019 10:43 am
Neville Bartos wrote:
Thu Mar 14, 2019 10:06 am


Mate, don't confuse not wanting May's deal or a no deal with remaining. The ERG voted against May's deal and I'm reasonably certain they're not remainers.
As for blaming Labour for everything? Hmmmm. Being fucking useless appears to have no favourites in the House of Commons these days.

Anyway May is, astonishingly, going for the hat-trick. And this time instead of bribery she's going with the threat of 'a long delay to Brexit'.
The woman hass properly lost the plot.
No I totally get that mate...nobody in there right mind WANTS a No deal situation,but unfortunately
we really are in a no deal is better area...and that must be there in the background.
So some are saying at least Mays deal has us part/most of the way there..it's just that F.in backstop.
It's so so tricky mate...I honestly not to sure now what i would be doing now if a Tory MP Leaver.
You wanna stand by yer guns...but we do have to compromise.
There was some really distraught Tories there last night...the whole thing is fucked up..
When that happens return to default and start again..but we cant do that....

We see it differently ..my admiration of May grows every day,you have have something to do
and you feel it's right...Never Ever give up till the very end.....I try and see the big picture,
not always successful granted.. :lol: but I just cant see what see is doing wrong,as she keeps
on saying ,shes trying to put a brexit in place that the public voted for, not what the bulk of
Parliament want....I believe shes trying...trying to do that.

Again I say the Public voted to leave...leave the Customs Union and all that goes with remaining
in that...Freedom of movement etc...thats what shes trying to get thru...that is what Labour,
and others are trying to prevent...I know which side I'm on....the Peoples...not Parliaments..

And I'm sorry mate but Labour have well and truly fucked me off over this...and I've never ever
been a Labour/Socialist disliker...
If May loses the 3rd vote the EU have said they'll only give us a long extension by all accounts, probably 2 years.

The 'gun against their heads' will make the vote a lot closer and some of the ERG group are likely to back down but I doubt the hardliners like Rees-Mogg and the DUP will. Which will probably lead to May going for a 4th vote.

It's a joke.

I respect anyone's decision to vote the way they did and I've heard the mantra many times, usually on the BBC that 'We didn't know what we were voting for' or 'I voted leave but now I'd vote remain'.

But in greater numbers I've heard previously remain voters unequivocally stating their intention to vote leave in the unlikely event of a 'people's vote' What was the first, an 'alien's vote' ?

They just want an end to this farce perpetrated by self-serving politicians on both sides riding roughshod over the will of their constituencies.

Some of the biggest players in politics have been a disgrace. But one that hasn't is Nigel Farage. He's retired from the scene but if the extension is to be 2 years, his fledgling Brexit Party will be a major force, far more than UKIP ever were, and many MP's, again on both sides, will be embarrassed at the next general election and wished by God that they'd have put the country first when they had the chance.
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Post by terrya1965 » Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:01 pm

mkhammer wrote:
Thu Mar 14, 2019 9:36 am
Gonzo wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:08 pm
Well at least the cards on finally on the table.

The politicians have ruled against the largest democratic mandate in the countries history. I'd imagine a considerable number of MP's will lose their seat at the next election.

I think what they should do mate,is TO put their cards on the table,instead of the backhanded way
they're doing it,and come out and say...Parliament doesn't want to leave...So...were going to overturn
a public mandate....at least have the balls to do it..
I think the Labour party are done...it was the Labour supporting areas that were overwhelming in
their leave votes,yet they bang on about doing what the public want, and what is best for them.
Absolutely and totally ignoring peoples fears and concerns in the reason why they voted leave,
they are a fuckin disgrace.....takes an awful lot to get me angry and wound up,but this lot have.
The only reason we aren't leaving with a proper deal in place is because of London and Scotland,
rest of the UK (wales was close) is overwhelming leave..
MPs are there to represent the Public..if they don't we need to start looking at Parliaments
set up, and MPs in general.
We have to ask why is most of parliament so steadfast in being remain,and rest of country
individually is split...surely naturally they would reflect that opinion...bit of self preservation
going on ...I reckon..maintain the status quo, and their seats..

Yesterday,end of the day it means diddly,was done for themselves,has no legal justification at all.
The only poss way they get some kinda "No deal"...is to revoke article 50...good luck with that one.
The majority of politicians don't want Brexit..They are happy flooding the country with foreigners has it makes workers compete for less jobs and brings Shareholders more money.. MPs do not give 2 shits about Joe Public,has long has they are filling their own pockets.
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Post by terrya1965 » Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:12 pm

It is amazing that Britain and the rest of Europe rebuilt their countries after the 2nd World War,quicker than we can do Brexit.

Let`s be honest,how much work have the government and the politicians done knowing Brexit needed to be done..They have had nearly 3 bloody years and basically they haven`t done ANYTHING. :oops:
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Re: The Mogg is circling...

Post by Gonzo » Thu Mar 14, 2019 4:03 pm

mkhammer wrote:
Thu Mar 14, 2019 9:36 am
Gonzo wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:08 pm
Well at least the cards on finally on the table.

The politicians have ruled against the largest democratic mandate in the countries history. I'd imagine a considerable number of MP's will lose their seat at the next election.

I think what they should do mate,is TO put their cards on the table,instead of the backhanded way
they're doing it,and come out and say...Parliament doesn't want to leave...So...were going to overturn
a public mandate....at least have the balls to do it..

Exactly that.


May said one accurate thing yesterday when she was croaking her speech. She suggested that the trust between voter and parliamentarian might be irreversibly broken.

They keep speaking at us, they keep explaining but they're not listening. This country is a powder keg.
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Re: The Mogg is circling...

Post by Neville Bartos » Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:03 am

mkhammer wrote:
Thu Mar 14, 2019 10:43 am
Neville Bartos wrote:
Thu Mar 14, 2019 10:06 am


Mate, don't confuse not wanting May's deal or a no deal with remaining. The ERG voted against May's deal and I'm reasonably certain they're not remainers.
As for blaming Labour for everything? Hmmmm. Being fucking useless appears to have no favourites in the House of Commons these days.

Anyway May is, astonishingly, going for the hat-trick. And this time instead of bribery she's going with the threat of 'a long delay to Brexit'.
The woman hass properly lost the plot.
No I totally get that mate...nobody in there right mind WANTS a No deal situation,but unfortunately
we really are in a no deal is better area...and that must be there in the background.
So some are saying at least Mays deal has us part/most of the way there..it's just that F.in backstop.
It's so so tricky mate...I honestly not to sure now what i would be doing now if a Tory MP Leaver.
You wanna stand by yer guns...but we do have to compromise.
There was some really distraught Tories there last night...the whole thing is fucked up..
When that happens return to default and start again..but we cant do that....

We see it differently ..my admiration of May grows every day,you have have something to do
and you feel it's right...Never Ever give up till the very end.....I try and see the big picture,
not always successful granted.. :lol: but I just cant see what see is doing wrong,as she keeps
on saying ,shes trying to put a brexit in place that the public voted for, not what the bulk of
Parliament want....I believe shes trying...trying to do that.

Again I say the Public voted to leave...leave the Customs Union and all that goes with remaining
in that...Freedom of movement etc...thats what shes trying to get thru...that is what Labour,
and others are trying to prevent...I know which side I'm on....the Peoples...not Parliaments..

And I'm sorry mate but Labour have well and truly fucked me off over this...and I've never ever
been a Labour/Socialist disliker...
Fair play, mate, your reasoning is a mystery to me.
There's no good area for a no deal, unless your investment company has something to gain, or you want to import GM crops or chlorinated chicken.
In no way, shape, or form does it benefit your average working person.

And you talk about compromise, but May has presented parliament with the same deal twice, and will undoubtedly do so for a third time. So what's to admire about a lack of compromise there?
Do you think her deal is what the British public would choose? You might call two of the heaviest government defeats in history stubborn self belief, I'd call it pig headed bloody mindedness.

What I don't understand is you seem to not mind May's deal, which ties the UK to the EU indefinitely , and a no deal Brexit.
The most hard-line Brexiteers have twice foiled May's deal. It's not a case of 'oh, it's remainers voting against it'.
It's a horrible deal, it delivers none of the benefits of a soft Brexit, but somehow still ties us down to EU rules and regulations indefinitely.

No-one voted to leave the customs union or the EEA. The vote was to leave the EU. This is a falsehood that is trotted out time and again.
This was the Leave argument...


The stuff they want now was called Project Fear, it's right there for everyone to see.
Farage says it himself Norway get all the benefits of free trade, minus all the stuff the British people hate. His words.

Whether you choose to see it or not these people have moved the goalposts AFTER the vote, and despite the evidence right there, are pretending otherwise.

You're on your own side, mate. We all are.
And if it's not bias blaming Labour whilst admiring May... Like I said at the start, the reasoning behind that is a complete mystery.
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