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Re: The Mogg is circling...

Post by jameskel » Wed Dec 05, 2018 9:04 am

If, as likely, another referendum is called, it will be the end of this country as it is. By all means have a "no deal" or " mays deal" vote, but another yes/no, is unthinkable
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Re: The Mogg is circling...

Post by whu » Wed Dec 05, 2018 9:25 am

There won't be a second referendum.
They will need operational polling stations for that undemocratic act to take place.
Nudge nudge, wink wink, say no more ...
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Re: The Mogg is circling...

Post by mkhammer » Wed Dec 05, 2018 10:27 am

palerider wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 6:12 am
After the momentous day in parliament yesterday it seems self-serving MP's have got their own way and Brexit may not actually happen at all.

So much for democracy.

Of course the likes of Rees-Mogg won't lose their seat when that cunt Corbyn wins the election but he, Dominic Grieve, and all the other rebels must be de-selected.

I fear there'll be massive social unrest over this.

I'll be fuckin lived mate....if MPs....not Tories ,not Labour or any of the others,PARLIAMENT.....
Decide,Think.......they can Overturn and or Ignore a Public referendum....that is now in the Statute
books, so is now a Law.....

Will not be happy.....Jacob will have a few surprises for them,if they think they can go against
the will of the people and the law of the land.....

Putting it simple we Voted to Leave.......we didn't vote on HOW we leave....
MPs are representing Constituencies that had a knocking around a 65% leave vote..

We vote MPs in to represent us and do our bidding.....as Jacob will point out to those
that have no understanding of how a democracy works..
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Re: The Mogg is circling...

Post by Neville Bartos » Wed Dec 05, 2018 10:44 am

palerider wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 7:16 am
Neville Bartos wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 6:58 am


The whole Brexit thing has been a cock up from the word go.
Apart from in and out being far too vague, having literally no plan for a leave vote was absolutely criminal.
And can anyone think of a worse group of politicians to organise Brexit?
May, Davis, Raab, Fox, with constant oars being stuck in by Johnson, Gove and Rees-Mogg. It's that lot of self serving shite hawks who should be deselected.
Although I know you're a Corbyn-nosher Nev, I don't disagree on the de-selection issue.

Having voted to leave, and after Call-me-Dave resigned, the first thing that should have happened was for an MP who actually voted to leave be made PM. May's heart has never been in it. I don't believe she's self-serving herself and has done her limited best but was the wrong choice from the start. As for being too vague, I'm sorry but I don't agree. There's an assumption that the 52% were too stupid to realise what they voted for. And why, if Brexit is abandoned, there'll be riots.

The Chequers deal was and is pants and it will be voted down. Probably not in the numbers forecast, but voted down nonetheless. Leaving the country on the brink of a Labour government.

All the names you mentioned above ?

Turkeys voting for Christmas.

And many of the Remain Tory Mp's are a disgrace.

The bill by Dominic Grieve yesterday which in effect gives the Commons the go-ahead to piss on democracy is such an act of betrayal that 300 years ago, heads would literally have rolled for it. Grieve is the MP for Beaconsfield. Who voted to leave in the referendum. But because Grieve thinks he knows best he's just ignored his own constituents.

May's deal is the best the EU were ever going to offer. To think that more concessions could be wrung from them is laughable. They didn't want us to leave as our money props up their failing policies, and the decision from them yesterday that the EU don't need to give us permission to overturn article 50 confirms it.
To be honest I'd sooner shag Corbyn than vote for him, so nosher isn't far wide of the mark in that respect.

It wouldn't have mattered who was PM after dozy Dave, you go from dozens of Brexiters giving different versions of what might happen to a different set of people trying to organise a Brexit. The chances of making enough people happy to get it through was always going to be zero.

The assumption is that having Brexit campaigners TELL the electorate we'd get a deal like Norway and would REMAIN in the common market was misleading. Or lies if you prefer.
So, you tell me, if leave spans soft Brexit right through to hard Brexit, where about in that spectrum is what everyone voted for?
It just is too vague.
What we needed was at least the bones of a Brexit plan before the vote. In or out of the EEA. In or out of the common market.

Democracy? Really, with all the bullshit that went into that referendum?
Those same politicians who lied through their teeth are now moaning about the will of the people! Do me a favour.

May's deal is a joke. All the rules of the common market whilst not being a member.
What is the point of that?
Of course the EU are backing it. It's win, win for them. They get our money, we follow their rules, and we give up any power, influence and say in any of it.

If Brexit does go tits up the blame lays squarely with the Tories. Right from concept to execution they've conspired to fuck it up.
And clearly the EUs failing policies ain't got shit on our government. :lol:
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Re: The Mogg is circling...

Post by Neville Bartos » Wed Dec 05, 2018 10:49 am

mkhammer wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 10:27 am
palerider wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 6:12 am
After the momentous day in parliament yesterday it seems self-serving MP's have got their own way and Brexit may not actually happen at all.

So much for democracy.

Of course the likes of Rees-Mogg won't lose their seat when that cunt Corbyn wins the election but he, Dominic Grieve, and all the other rebels must be de-selected.

I fear there'll be massive social unrest over this.

I'll be fuckin lived mate....if MPs....not Tories ,not Labour or any of the others,PARLIAMENT.....
Decide,Think.......they can Overturn and or Ignore a Public referendum....that is now in the Statute
books, so is now a Law.....

Will not be happy.....Jacob will have a few surprises for them,if they think they can go against
the will of the people and the law of the land.....

Putting it simple we Voted to Leave.......we didn't vote on HOW we leave....
MPs are representing Constituencies that had a knocking around a 65% leave vote..

We vote MPs in to represent us and do our bidding.....as Jacob will point out to those
that have no understanding of how a democracy works..
Is this the same Jacob on film advocating a second referendum?
I do love hard evidence of politicians trading principles for power.
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Re: The Mogg is circling...

Post by mkhammer » Wed Dec 05, 2018 11:02 am

Neville Bartos wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 6:58 am
palerider wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 6:12 am
After the momentous day in parliament yesterday it seems self-serving MP's have got their own way and Brexit may not actually happen at all.

So much for democracy.

Of course the likes of Rees-Mogg won't lose their seat when that cunt Corbyn wins the election but he, Dominic Grieve, and all the other rebels must be de-selected.

I fear there'll be massive social unrest over this.
The whole Brexit thing has been a cock up from the word go.
Apart from in and out being far too vague, having literally no plan for a leave vote was absolutely criminal.
And can anyone think of a worse group of politicians to organise Brexit?
May, Davis, Raab, Fox, with constant oars being stuck in by Johnson, Gove and Rees-Mogg. It's that lot of self serving shite hawks who should be deselected.

So you mean Speaking up,and defending what you've said....means you should be deselected,
you want them deselected cos they don't agree with you Nev.....that's wrong mate..

There's some total shit coming out from MPs at the Moment.....Mainly from the opposition
Parties IMO ,but they've been democratically voted in...so whether I agree or not,they have a right,
it's down to the voters to listen and make a decision,next election vote them in again or not.

And if people can't see that the self serving artists are on the other side of the house....well
I give up....
I don't want an election...not good for the country at moment,but certainly not scared of
one from a Tory perspective,if you think people are tuning against May and the Tories over
this you will be mistaken.

The question put was...Do You want to remain in the European Union....
Yes or No.....People weigh it up,what they want,what benefits them what doesn't,do
research or not.....then have their say.....We would like to leave...thank you.

The people thought about it and decided....end of..
Nothing Vague about it...it was a yes or no....
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Re: The Mogg is circling...

Post by h69 » Wed Dec 05, 2018 11:22 am

mkhammer wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 11:02 am
Neville Bartos wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 6:58 am


The whole Brexit thing has been a cock up from the word go.
Apart from in and out being far too vague, having literally no plan for a leave vote was absolutely criminal.
And can anyone think of a worse group of politicians to organise Brexit?
May, Davis, Raab, Fox, with constant oars being stuck in by Johnson, Gove and Rees-Mogg. It's that lot of self serving shite hawks who should be deselected.

So you mean Speaking up,and defending what you've said....means you should be deselected,
you want them deselected cos they don't agree with you Nev.....that's wrong mate..

There's some total shit coming out from MPs at the Moment.....Mainly from the opposition
Parties IMO ,but they've been democratically voted in...so whether I agree or not,they have a right,
it's down to the voters to listen and make a decision,next election vote them in again or not.

And if people can't see that the self serving artists are on the other side of the house....well
I give up....
I don't want an election...not good for the country at moment,but certainly not scared of
one from a Tory perspective,if you think people are tuning against May and the Tories over
this you will be mistaken.

The question put was...Do You want to remain in the European Union....
Yes or No.....People weigh it up,what they want,what benefits them what doesn't,do
research or not.....then have their say.....We would like to leave...thank you.

The people thought about it and decided....end of..
Nothing Vague about it...it was a yes or no....
Would not have been an issue if we had just left and dealt with it after. People like Rees-Mogg are correct. May is just trying to set up a deal that falls between leave and stay and serves noone.

The only cock up here is a politician who is bowing down to the corrupt cunts at the EU. We should have just left immediately.

I voted leave as did a majority of the other voters and I want to leave. There will be serious riots if we chuck out democracy and once again bow down to the EU and stay there to serve them as puppy dogs and line the pockets of every fucking overspent economy in Southern Europe because of the champagne socialists in this country don't have the backbone to get off their arses and work for their own country without checking with the EU that it is ok first. Cunts the lot of them

Rant over :lol:
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Re: The Mogg is circling...

Post by BlackDiamond » Wed Dec 05, 2018 11:27 am

How funny the political landscape is in 2018.

Only five choices:

1) Mrs May's plan - no chance that will be acceptable
2) Crash out and make up stuff on the hoof - That will be blocked
3) Stay in with a change of PM and/or another election
4) extend negotiating period beyond March 2019
5) Find another BREXIT solution that pleases everyone...go little smarties,go

...the other thing that could happen is a skirmish in Europe over a Russia/Ukraine punchup...and the whole thing goes away naturally
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Re: The Mogg is circling...

Post by terrya1965 » Wed Dec 05, 2018 2:18 pm

Neville Bartos wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 10:44 am
palerider wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 7:16 am


Although I know you're a Corbyn-nosher Nev, I don't disagree on the de-selection issue.

Having voted to leave, and after Call-me-Dave resigned, the first thing that should have happened was for an MP who actually voted to leave be made PM. May's heart has never been in it. I don't believe she's self-serving herself and has done her limited best but was the wrong choice from the start. As for being too vague, I'm sorry but I don't agree. There's an assumption that the 52% were too stupid to realise what they voted for. And why, if Brexit is abandoned, there'll be riots.

The Chequers deal was and is pants and it will be voted down. Probably not in the numbers forecast, but voted down nonetheless. Leaving the country on the brink of a Labour government.

All the names you mentioned above ?

Turkeys voting for Christmas.

And many of the Remain Tory Mp's are a disgrace.

The bill by Dominic Grieve yesterday which in effect gives the Commons the go-ahead to piss on democracy is such an act of betrayal that 300 years ago, heads would literally have rolled for it. Grieve is the MP for Beaconsfield. Who voted to leave in the referendum. But because Grieve thinks he knows best he's just ignored his own constituents.

May's deal is the best the EU were ever going to offer. To think that more concessions could be wrung from them is laughable. They didn't want us to leave as our money props up their failing policies, and the decision from them yesterday that the EU don't need to give us permission to overturn article 50 confirms it.
To be honest I'd sooner shag Corbyn than vote for him, so nosher isn't far wide of the mark in that respect.

It wouldn't have mattered who was PM after dozy Dave, you go from dozens of Brexiters giving different versions of what might happen to a different set of people trying to organise a Brexit. The chances of making enough people happy to get it through was always going to be zero.

The assumption is that having Brexit campaigners TELL the electorate we'd get a deal like Norway and would REMAIN in the common market was misleading. Or lies if you prefer.
So, you tell me, if leave spans soft Brexit right through to hard Brexit, where about in that spectrum is what everyone voted for?
It just is too vague.
What we needed was at least the bones of a Brexit plan before the vote. In or out of the EEA. In or out of the common market.

Democracy? Really, with all the bullshit that went into that referendum?
Those same politicians who lied through their teeth are now moaning about the will of the people! Do me a favour.

May's deal is a joke. All the rules of the common market whilst not being a member.
What is the point of that?
Of course the EU are backing it. It's win, win for them. They get our money, we follow their rules, and we give up any power, influence and say in any of it.

If Brexit does go tits up the blame lays squarely with the Tories. Right from concept to execution they've conspired to fuck it up.
And clearly the EUs failing policies ain't got shit on our government. :lol:
Being honest,Neville is one of the fellas on here,that talks the most common sense on the Brexit issue.

There are quite a few that talk with their tory heads.I actually think the majority of their MPs want to stay,for the cheap labour so has major Shareholders,they will make big money.
I would say a lot of our kids don't like hard work,but the Eastern Europeans will do anything to earn a few quid.

Personally,I was on the fence at the start,but it seems like common sense now to remain.They have 2 and half years to sort this and they still haven't a clue what to do.
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Re: The Mogg is circling...

Post by Pennywise » Wed Dec 05, 2018 3:55 pm

terrya1965 wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 2:18 pm
Neville Bartos wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 10:44 am


To be honest I'd sooner shag Corbyn than vote for him, so nosher isn't far wide of the mark in that respect.

It wouldn't have mattered who was PM after dozy Dave, you go from dozens of Brexiters giving different versions of what might happen to a different set of people trying to organise a Brexit. The chances of making enough people happy to get it through was always going to be zero.

The assumption is that having Brexit campaigners TELL the electorate we'd get a deal like Norway and would REMAIN in the common market was misleading. Or lies if you prefer.
So, you tell me, if leave spans soft Brexit right through to hard Brexit, where about in that spectrum is what everyone voted for?
It just is too vague.
What we needed was at least the bones of a Brexit plan before the vote. In or out of the EEA. In or out of the common market.

Democracy? Really, with all the bullshit that went into that referendum?
Those same politicians who lied through their teeth are now moaning about the will of the people! Do me a favour.

May's deal is a joke. All the rules of the common market whilst not being a member.
What is the point of that?
Of course the EU are backing it. It's win, win for them. They get our money, we follow their rules, and we give up any power, influence and say in any of it.

If Brexit does go tits up the blame lays squarely with the Tories. Right from concept to execution they've conspired to fuck it up.
And clearly the EUs failing policies ain't got shit on our government. :lol:
Being honest,Neville is one of the fellas on here,that talks the most common sense on the Brexit issue.

There are quite a few that talk with their tory heads.I actually think the majority of their MPs want to stay,for the cheap labour so has major Shareholders,they will make big money.
I would say a lot of our kids don't like hard work,but the Eastern Europeans will do anything to earn a few quid.

Personally,I was on the fence at the start,but it seems like common sense now to remain.They have 2 and half years to sort this and they still haven't a clue what to do.
Don't you fucking dare Tel. Wash your fucking mouth out.

Nev talking sense.........he's a stalin loving, red communist fuck who secretly wanks over pictures of Putin naked spunking over a brown bear, the dirty little fucker.

Common sense indeed. :lol:
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