You have the right to clap those kneeling and say they are changing the world, I have the right to boo it saying it does fuck all and it is hypocritical. That is democracy and my right to an opinion. That does not make me racist, it means I think it is hypocritical and a load of old pony. Same way I thought BLM were full of shit, stealing money for property and wanting to defund the police.hd1 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 8:47 amAs I said before, I based my comments on my experience not an assumption. It's what I see at our games and the odd England game. I also said I appreciate you may experience something different. As for black players who don't kneel, that is their choice but they don't disrespect others doing it.h69 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 11:32 pm Your assumption that only white people are booing is a racist trope. There are also black players that won't kneel
I do but it is also a democratic society and so if I chose to boo a gesture that I find hypocritical, it is my right. Does not make me racist, just shows my disdain for the hypocrisy of this ridiculous gesture that achieves fuck all.
The people that assume everyone booing is racist rather than understanding or trying to understand their reasons such as their loathing of virtue signalling are narrow minded twats trying to act like playground bullies.
How many of these players will go and play in stadia built by slaves in Qatar while kneeling before games.
The whole thing is hypocritical and has just divided people rather than bring them together.
I'm glad we agree that there is not place for any racism in our society, as to me it is totally abhorrent. Whether you consider the gesture achieves anything or not and irrespective of the fact we live in a democratic society, boing someone for what they believe in and who are trying to set an example and send a message of unity is hypocritical when you believe racism is wrong. You may call it virtual signalling but I say it sends a positive message that racism is not acceptable,yet I have seen no suggestion from you or anyone else as to what the alternative should be? Doing nothing perpetuates racism because it allows the far right support to grow without proper education.
As for Qatar and whether players should make a stand, my personal view is it should have never been held there in the first place as there are so many issues associated with ME countries around human rights generally. The issue I have though is where does this stop, do we not buy anything made in China for example yet the phone or laptop we're using to post this were made there in factories that have no H&S considerations to the people working there. The football shirts most clubs buy are made there. The list is endless. What we should ask is whether or not them not going would make any difference to what happens in Qatar? Maybe they can but I doubt it, whereas footballers here influence young kids every day and sending an anti-racism message to them will hopefully help educate them for the future.
Kneeling has had zero effect. If the players boycotted Qatar then they would make a real statement and people may start to listen. You spent the first half of your lecture telling me that doing nothing is not good enough and the second saying 'where do you stop' and advocating not bothering.
The fact is with all this kneeling, has it cut down racism ? No
Has it changed peoples opinions on race ? No
Has it divided the country ? Yes
Its just student politics and a load of people clapping a pointless gesture because it makes them feel that they are doing something virtuous while moaning about a colonial past long in the past meanwhile they are quite happy for these players to play in stadia built by slaves in the last few years because presumably these slaves were not black enough to care about or virtue signalling is alright as long as it does not get in the way of their enjoyment of a World Cup. Pure hypocrisy.
