Hammers Chat

hd1 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 8:47 am

h69 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 11:32 pm Your assumption that only white people are booing is a racist trope. There are also black players that won't kneel

I do but it is also a democratic society and so if I chose to boo a gesture that I find hypocritical, it is my right. Does not make me racist, just shows my disdain for the hypocrisy of this ridiculous gesture that achieves fuck all.

The people that assume everyone booing is racist rather than understanding or trying to understand their reasons such as their loathing of virtue signalling are narrow minded twats trying to act like playground bullies.

How many of these players will go and play in stadia built by slaves in Qatar while kneeling before games.

The whole thing is hypocritical and has just divided people rather than bring them together.

As I said before, I based my comments on my experience not an assumption. It's what I see at our games and the odd England game. I also said I appreciate you may experience something different. As for black players who don't kneel, that is their choice but they don't disrespect others doing it.

I'm glad we agree that there is not place for any racism in our society, as to me it is totally abhorrent. Whether you consider the gesture achieves anything or not and irrespective of the fact we live in a democratic society, boing someone for what they believe in and who are trying to set an example and send a message of unity is hypocritical when you believe racism is wrong. You may call it virtual signalling but I say it sends a positive message that racism is not acceptable,yet I have seen no suggestion from you or anyone else as to what the alternative should be? Doing nothing perpetuates racism because it allows the far right support to grow without proper education.

As for Qatar and whether players should make a stand, my personal view is it should have never been held there in the first place as there are so many issues associated with ME countries around human rights generally. The issue I have though is where does this stop, do we not buy anything made in China for example yet the phone or laptop we're using to post this were made there in factories that have no H&S considerations to the people working there. The football shirts most clubs buy are made there. The list is endless. What we should ask is whether or not them not going would make any difference to what happens in Qatar? Maybe they can but I doubt it, whereas footballers here influence young kids every day and sending an anti-racism message to them will hopefully help educate them for the future.

h69 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 9:30 am You have the right to clap those kneeling and say they are changing the world, I have the right to boo it saying it does fuck all and it is hypocritical. That is democracy and my right to an opinion. That does not make me racist, it means I think it is hypocritical and a load of old pony. Same way I thought BLM were full of shit, stealing money for property and wanting to defund the police.

Equally I have the right to consider anyone booing an anti-racism gesture as racist. I don't care whether you consider the gesture hypocritical or not, that's your choice and right but don't expect me to agree with it.

Taking the knee has distanced itself from BLM, and quite rightly so. I do not agree with what BLM now stands for but that would not make me boo players taking the knee to highlight the issue of racism.


Kneeling has had zero effect. If the players boycotted Qatar then they would make a real statement and people may start to listen. You spent the first half of your lecture telling me that doing nothing is not good enough and the second saying 'where do you stop' and advocating not bothering.

Weird how you consider my responses a 'lecture' but then post equally long posts telling me I'm wrong.

Has kneeling had zero effect - not in my opinion as I think it continues to raise awareness

The fact is with all this kneeling, has it cut down racism ? That isn't a fact, it is an opinion
Has it changed peoples opinions on race ? In my opinion it has
Has it divided the country ? No. There have always been racists and those against racism. I don't think anyone has become racist because of it. It's only when people continue to link an anti-racism gesture to the marxist BLM organisation that people get confused

Its just student politics and a load of people clapping a pointless gesture because it makes them feel that they are doing something virtuous while moaning about a colonial past long in the past meanwhile they are quite happy for these players to play in stadia built by slaves in the last few years because presumably these slaves were not black enough to care about or virtue signalling is alright as long as it does not get in the way of their enjoyment of a World Cup. Pure hypocrisy.

Racism and slavery are two different, but very important issues. To conflate them and call people hypocritical is saying you expect everybody to be as virtuous as you, yet I'm 99.9% sure you still buy products made in Chinese factories where human rights are virtually non-existent.

In terms of the World Cup, do you think it should be cancelled?

hd1 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 1:10 pm

h69 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 9:30 am You have the right to clap those kneeling and say they are changing the world, I have the right to boo it saying it does fuck all and it is hypocritical. That is democracy and my right to an opinion. That does not make me racist, it means I think it is hypocritical and a load of old pony. Same way I thought BLM were full of shit, stealing money for property and wanting to defund the police.

Equally I have the right to consider anyone booing an anti-racism gesture as racist. I don't care whether you consider the gesture hypocritical or not, that's your choice and right but don't expect me to agree with it.

Taking the knee has distanced itself from BLM, and quite rightly so. I do not agree with what BLM now stands for but that would not make me boo players taking the knee to highlight the issue of racism.


Kneeling has had zero effect. If the players boycotted Qatar then they would make a real statement and people may start to listen. You spent the first half of your lecture telling me that doing nothing is not good enough and the second saying 'where do you stop' and advocating not bothering.

Weird how you consider my responses a 'lecture' but then post equally long posts telling me I'm wrong.

Has kneeling had zero effect - not in my opinion as I think it continues to raise awareness

The fact is with all this kneeling, has it cut down racism ? That isn't a fact, it is an opinion
Has it changed peoples opinions on race ? In my opinion it has
Has it divided the country ? No. There have always been racists and those against racism. I don't think anyone has become racist because of it. It's only when people continue to link an anti-racism gesture to the marxist BLM organisation that people get confused

Its just student politics and a load of people clapping a pointless gesture because it makes them feel that they are doing something virtuous while moaning about a colonial past long in the past meanwhile they are quite happy for these players to play in stadia built by slaves in the last few years because presumably these slaves were not black enough to care about or virtue signalling is alright as long as it does not get in the way of their enjoyment of a World Cup. Pure hypocrisy.

Racism and slavery are two different, but very important issues. To conflate them and call people hypocritical is saying you expect everybody to be as virtuous as you, yet I'm 99.9% sure you still buy products made in Chinese factories where human rights are virtually non-existent.

In terms of the World Cup, do you think it should be cancelled?

hd1 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 8:00 pm We could go on like this all year.

Clearly you think I'm wrong because I don't agree with you, racist because I don't think you should conflate racism and slavery and not virtuous or a hypocrite for clapping anti racism gestures.

I've explained my reasoning but apparently I'm not entitled to that view because it's not the same as yours. As I've said you are entitled to your opinion, I don't have to agree and I don't think its right, BUT it is yours and you are entitled to it.

I will continue to help fight racism in anyway I can, as I have done for the last 40 odd years. I'm not going to continue wasting my time and yours continuing this debate. No doubt I'll get slagged off for that but I'm big enough and ugly enough to live with that

9898 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 8:50 pm Is it coz you're black?

hd1 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 8:00 pm We could go on like this all year.

Clearly you think I'm wrong because I don't agree with you, racist because I don't think you should conflate racism and slavery and not virtuous or a hypocrite for clapping anti racism gestures.

I've explained my reasoning but apparently I'm not entitled to that view because it's not the same as yours. As I've said you are entitled to your opinion, I don't have to agree and I don't think its right, BUT it is yours and you are entitled to it.

I will continue to help fight racism in anyway I can, as I have done for the last 40 odd years. I'm not going to continue wasting my time and yours continuing this debate. No doubt I'll get slagged off for that but I'm big enough and ugly enough to live with that

only1salty wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 8:58 pm I have created a new gesture to celebrate Englishness

It’s a salute by placing one arm above my head at 45 degrees.

I am aware that this gesture used to have political connotations a while ago but me and my friends have decided to distance it from any previous political message.

Anyone who disagrees with this salute is anti English



Sounds bat shit mental - because it is.