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This 50% + 1 Ownership Thing

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This ownership model which is in use in the Bundesliga seems to be getting talked about a lot recently following the failed ESL coup. But if we look at the Bundesliga is it really benefiting the league in Germany ? Bayern Munich are about to win their 9th title on the spin and, as they have done in the past, have raided their nearest challengers, some might say only challengers, and taken their coach and one of their top players, Upemecano, which has obviously weakened them significantly.

It's pretty much the same thing they did after Borussia Dortmund won two titles in a row back in 2011 & 2012 when they signed Mats Hummels one season and then the following year took Robert Lewandowski off their hands. Bayern are pretty much an unstoppable juggernaut in Germany so I'm inclined to ask if this ownership model is all that. Do the members of Dortmund and Leipzig get a vote as to whether they accept bids for their players ? I haven't a scooby tbh but one thing's bloody obvious, it the 50+1 ownership model has done absolutely squat for the competitiveness of their league.

The Bundesliga used to be a decent league. Between 2002 and 2011, when both seasons the title went to Dortmund, there were 5 different teams winning the thing, including Munich. But since Dortmund's last success the Meisterschale has always ended up back in Munich. Maybe the Bundesliga needs ---errr Sheikhing up (sorry) a bit.
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Whiskyman wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 4:23 pm This ownership model which is in use in the Bundesliga seems to be getting talked about a lot recently following the failed ESL coup. But if we look at the Bundesliga is it really benefiting the league in Germany ? Bayern Munich are about to win their 9th title on the spin and, as they have done in the past, have raided their nearest challengers, some might say only challengers, and taken their coach and one of their top players, Upemecano, which has obviously weakened them significantly.

It's pretty much the same thing they did after Borussia Dortmund won two titles in a row back in 2011 & 2012 when they signed Mats Hummels one season and then the following year took Robert Lewandowski off their hands. Bayern are pretty much an unstoppable juggernaut in Germany so I'm inclined to ask if this ownership model is all that. Do the members of Dortmund and Leipzig get a vote as to whether they accept bids for their players ? I haven't a scooby tbh but one thing's bloody obvious, it the 50+1 ownership model has done absolutely squat for the competitiveness of their league.

The Bundesliga used to be a decent league. Between 2002 and 2011, when both seasons the title went to Dortmund, there were 5 different teams winning the thing, including Munich. But since Dortmund's last success the Meisterschale has always ended up back in Munich. Maybe the Bundesliga needs ---errr Sheikhing up (sorry) a bit.
How does this system work ? , cos Sullivan owns 51% of West Ham and says he’s a “fan” ?
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Newmarket wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 6:21 pm
Whiskyman wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 4:23 pm This ownership model which is in use in the Bundesliga seems to be getting talked about a lot recently following the failed ESL coup. But if we look at the Bundesliga is it really benefiting the league in Germany ? Bayern Munich are about to win their 9th title on the spin and, as they have done in the past, have raided their nearest challengers, some might say only challengers, and taken their coach and one of their top players, Upemecano, which has obviously weakened them significantly.

It's pretty much the same thing they did after Borussia Dortmund won two titles in a row back in 2011 & 2012 when they signed Mats Hummels one season and then the following year took Robert Lewandowski off their hands. Bayern are pretty much an unstoppable juggernaut in Germany so I'm inclined to ask if this ownership model is all that. Do the members of Dortmund and Leipzig get a vote as to whether they accept bids for their players ? I haven't a scooby tbh but one thing's bloody obvious, it the 50+1 ownership model has done absolutely squat for the competitiveness of their league.

The Bundesliga used to be a decent league. Between 2002 and 2011, when both seasons the title went to Dortmund, there were 5 different teams winning the thing, including Munich. But since Dortmund's last success the Meisterschale has always ended up back in Munich. Maybe the Bundesliga needs ---errr Sheikhing up (sorry) a bit.
How does this system work ? , cos Sullivan owns 51% of West Ham and says he’s a “fan” ?
I think he’s dyslexic coz we all know that’s not how you spell despicable little cunt. Having said that, why is dyslexic a cunt of a word to spell? Is it irony or just an oversight?
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JayK wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 8:05 pm
Newmarket wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 6:21 pm

How does this system work ? , cos Sullivan owns 51% of West Ham and says he’s a “fan” ?
I think he’s dyslexic coz we all know that’s not how you spell despicable little cunt. Having said that, why is dyslexic a cunt of a word to spell? Is it irony or just an oversight?
You should write to the DNA and complain mate. DNA? That’s the National Dyslexic Association in case you weren’t aware. ;)
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Whiskyman wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 8:54 pm
JayK wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 8:05 pm

I think he’s dyslexic coz we all know that’s not how you spell despicable little cunt. Having said that, why is dyslexic a cunt of a word to spell? Is it irony or just an oversight?
You should write to the DNA and complain mate. DNA? That’s the National Dyslexic Association in case you weren’t aware. ;)
:lol: :lol: :lol:

I got an issue with OCD too. They’re not in order ffs. Why do they do this to people???
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Newmarket wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 6:21 pm
Whiskyman wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 4:23 pm This ownership model which is in use in the Bundesliga seems to be getting talked about a lot recently following the failed ESL coup. But if we look at the Bundesliga is it really benefiting the league in Germany ? Bayern Munich are about to win their 9th title on the spin and, as they have done in the past, have raided their nearest challengers, some might say only challengers, and taken their coach and one of their top players, Upemecano, which has obviously weakened them significantly.

It's pretty much the same thing they did after Borussia Dortmund won two titles in a row back in 2011 & 2012 when they signed Mats Hummels one season and then the following year took Robert Lewandowski off their hands. Bayern are pretty much an unstoppable juggernaut in Germany so I'm inclined to ask if this ownership model is all that. Do the members of Dortmund and Leipzig get a vote as to whether they accept bids for their players ? I haven't a scooby tbh but one thing's bloody obvious, it the 50+1 ownership model has done absolutely squat for the competitiveness of their league.

The Bundesliga used to be a decent league. Between 2002 and 2011, when both seasons the title went to Dortmund, there were 5 different teams winning the thing, including Munich. But since Dortmund's last success the Meisterschale has always ended up back in Munich. Maybe the Bundesliga needs ---errr Sheikhing up (sorry) a bit.
How does this system work ? , cos Sullivan owns 51% of West Ham and says he’s a “fan” ?
:lol: :lol:

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JayK wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 9:04 pm
Whiskyman wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 8:54 pm

You should write to the DNA and complain mate. DNA? That’s the National Dyslexic Association in case you weren’t aware. ;)
:lol: :lol: :lol:

I got an issue with OCD too. They’re not in order ffs. Why do they do this to people???
Why is abbreviation such a long word?

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OZHAMMER wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 11:15 pm
JayK wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 9:04 pm

:lol: :lol: :lol:

I got an issue with OCD too. They’re not in order ffs. Why do they do this to people???
Why is abbreviation such a long word?
Excellent question Oz :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Whiskyman wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 4:23 pm This ownership model which is in use in the Bundesliga seems to be getting talked about a lot recently following the failed ESL coup. But if we look at the Bundesliga is it really benefiting the league in Germany ? Bayern Munich are about to win their 9th title on the spin and, as they have done in the past, have raided their nearest challengers, some might say only challengers, and taken their coach and one of their top players, Upemecano, which has obviously weakened them significantly.

It's pretty much the same thing they did after Borussia Dortmund won two titles in a row back in 2011 & 2012 when they signed Mats Hummels one season and then the following year took Robert Lewandowski off their hands. Bayern are pretty much an unstoppable juggernaut in Germany so I'm inclined to ask if this ownership model is all that. Do the members of Dortmund and Leipzig get a vote as to whether they accept bids for their players ? I haven't a scooby tbh but one thing's bloody obvious, it the 50+1 ownership model has done absolutely squat for the competitiveness of their league.

The Bundesliga used to be a decent league. Between 2002 and 2011, when both seasons the title went to Dortmund, there were 5 different teams winning the thing, including Munich. But since Dortmund's last success the Meisterschale has always ended up back in Munich. Maybe the Bundesliga needs ---errr Sheikhing up (sorry) a bit.

No one is claiming 50+1 is about competitiveness. Its about maintaining a connection with the fans, giving a fans a stake in the club and ensuring that football remains grounded. Germany have this in abundance and having been to a few Bundesliga games - the atmosphere is better and the connection between clubs and fans different altogether. We have been sold an expensive product, we are customers not fans now and a trip to watch the football is a "matchday experience". English top flight football has lost sight of its roots.

Bayern win everything because they are a commercial machine. They are the 3rd richest club in the world and the next closest, Dortmund have revenues 300 million euros per year less. That's the competitive disparity not the ownership model but the distribution of income in German football.

The 50+1 doesn't have to be about ownership of equity, just ownership of voting rights. Can be two distinct things using different share classes.

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only1salty wrote: Fri Apr 30, 2021 9:15 am
Whiskyman wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 4:23 pm This ownership model which is in use in the Bundesliga seems to be getting talked about a lot recently following the failed ESL coup. But if we look at the Bundesliga is it really benefiting the league in Germany ? Bayern Munich are about to win their 9th title on the spin and, as they have done in the past, have raided their nearest challengers, some might say only challengers, and taken their coach and one of their top players, Upemecano, which has obviously weakened them significantly.

It's pretty much the same thing they did after Borussia Dortmund won two titles in a row back in 2011 & 2012 when they signed Mats Hummels one season and then the following year took Robert Lewandowski off their hands. Bayern are pretty much an unstoppable juggernaut in Germany so I'm inclined to ask if this ownership model is all that. Do the members of Dortmund and Leipzig get a vote as to whether they accept bids for their players ? I haven't a scooby tbh but one thing's bloody obvious, it the 50+1 ownership model has done absolutely squat for the competitiveness of their league.

The Bundesliga used to be a decent league. Between 2002 and 2011, when both seasons the title went to Dortmund, there were 5 different teams winning the thing, including Munich. But since Dortmund's last success the Meisterschale has always ended up back in Munich. Maybe the Bundesliga needs ---errr Sheikhing up (sorry) a bit.

No one is claiming 50+1 is about competitiveness. Its about maintaining a connection with the fans, giving a fans a stake in the club and ensuring that football remains grounded. Germany have this in abundance and having been to a few Bundesliga games - the atmosphere is better and the connection between clubs and fans different altogether. We have been sold an expensive product, we are customers not fans now and a trip to watch the football is a "matchday experience". English top flight football has lost sight of its roots.

Bayern win everything because they are a commercial machine. They are the 3rd richest club in the world and the next closest, Dortmund have revenues 300 million euros per year less. That's the competitive disparity not the ownership model but the distribution of income in German football.

The 50+1 doesn't have to be about ownership of equity, just ownership of voting rights. Can be two distinct things using different share classes.
Oh gawd . You mentioned the Class word :o :o
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