As you know I am a sad statto bastard & I was just browsing through some databases when I noticed this.
The Manager Pld W D L F A First game played Last game played Success
Trevor Brooking 13 8 4 1 19 9 27 Apr 2003 18 Oct 2003 76.9
Billy Bonds 193 82 52 59 262 212 24 Feb 1990 07 May 1994 56.0
Slaven Bilic 62 25 18 19 97 92 09 Aug 2015 04 Feb 2017 54.8
Charlie Paynter 453 190 109 154 738 669 05 Nov 1932 06 May 1950 54.0
Alan Pardew 140 56 33 51 185 175 22 Oct 2003 09 Dec 2006 51.8
Edward Fenton 451 182 99 170 794 761 19 Aug 1950 11 Mar 1961 51.3
Syd King 1026 401 244 381 1566 1507 06 Sep 1902 07 May 1932 51.0
Sam Allardyce 163 62 42 59 217 200 07 Aug 2011 24 May 2015 50.9
John Lyall 624 238 156 230 855 838 17 Aug 1974 23 May 1989 50.6
Ron Boyce 1 0 1 0 2 2 18 Feb 1990 18 Feb 1990 50.0
Lou Macari 28 10 8 10 41 35 19 Aug 1989 10 Feb 1990 50.0
Harry Redknapp 269 94 71 104 324 359 20 Aug 1994 05 May 2001 48.1
Alan Curbishley 62 23 13 26 73 90 17 Dec 2006 30 Aug 2008 47.6
Ron Greenwood 550 182 151 217 861 872 15 Apr 1961 27 Apr 1974 46.8
Glenn Roeder 77 24 20 33 89 118 19 May 2001 23 Aug 2003 44.2
Gianfranco Zola 72 20 20 32 81 103 20 Sep 2008 09 May 2010 41.7
Avram Grant 37 7 12 18 43 67 14 Aug 2010 15 May 2011 35.1
Greenwood is well down on the list. I know that numbers don't mean everything (or anything) but I was shocked to see this. He also has a very high goals per game ratio with 1733 goals scored in in 550 games. I know games were often higher but this is well high.
I though last season was high scoring with 116 goals in 38 games but this is higher than that.
Anyway, Greenwood was before my time. I actually started supporting West Ham around the time Lyall took over. But considering the players he had at his disposal I'd have thought he'd have done better.
Bilic is 3rd on that list of most successful managers.
You have to take in to consideration that Brooking only had 13 games and Bonzo did manage a few seasons in the 2nd tier.
So,it puts Bilic`s achievements into perspective on well he has actually done.
Greenwood and Lyall did play an open game,but they did like to entertain.Let`s not forget,they are the only 2 that have brought trophies to our club(Not including War and Inter Cups).
terrya1965 wrote:Bilic is 3rd on that list of most successful managers.
You have to take in to consideration that Brooking only had 13 games and Bonzo did manage a few seasons in the 2nd tier.
So,it puts Bilic`s achievements into perspective on well he has actually done.
Greenwood and Lyall did play an open game,but they did like to entertain.Let`s not forget,they are the only 2 that have brought trophies to our club(Not including War and Inter Cups).
Hello Terry,
Yeah, I know all the history & what they did for us, etc. I just thought Greenwood's winning percentage would have been higher - although he does have a very high drawing percentage. His losses isn't that terrible.
Thinking about it I wonder if all managers records around that time were more equal as teams weren't as dominant as the top few are today?
terrya1965 wrote:Bilic is 3rd on that list of most successful managers.
You have to take in to consideration that Brooking only had 13 games and Bonzo did manage a few seasons in the 2nd tier.
So,it puts Bilic`s achievements into perspective on well he has actually done.
Greenwood and Lyall did play an open game,but they did like to entertain.Let`s not forget,they are the only 2 that have brought trophies to our club(Not including War and Inter Cups).
Hello Terry,
Yeah, I know all the history & what they did for us, etc. I just thought Greenwood's winning percentage would have been higher - although he does have a very high drawing percentage. His losses isn't that terrible.
Thinking about it I wonder if all managers records around that time were more equal as teams weren't as dominant as the top few are today?
You are right.It was more equal.You only had to look how many Title and Cup winners there was in the 60`s and 70`s.Defiantly more unpredictable in comparison to today`s game.It wasn`t about money then.The money generated was from who came through the turnstiles and that was basically it.
Yeah, I know all the history & what they did for us, etc. I just thought Greenwood's winning percentage would have been higher - although he does have a very high drawing percentage. His losses isn't that terrible.
Thinking about it I wonder if all managers records around that time were more equal as teams weren't as dominant as the top few are today?
You are right.It was more equal.You only had to look how many Title and Cup winners there was in the 60`s and 70`s.Defiantly more unpredictable in comparison to today`s game.It wasn`t about money then.The money generated was from who came through the turnstiles and that was basically it.
terrya1965 wrote:Bilic is 3rd on that list of most successful managers.
You have to take in to consideration that Brooking only had 13 games and Bonzo did manage a few seasons in the 2nd tier.
So,it puts Bilic`s achievements into perspective on well he has actually done.
Greenwood and Lyall did play an open game,but they did like to entertain.Let`s not forget,they are the only 2 that have brought trophies to our club(Not including War and Inter Cups).
Also shows that Bonzo was not as bad as some believe. It is certainly better than I thought.
Also worth noting that in the greenwood era it was two points for a win so a draw was always a good result where as now there is much more emphasis on getting the three points
