Not my favourite politician.
And today, forced to apologise to Diane Abbott for using the 'c' word about her.
Bloody right too. It was the wrong 'c' word.
Damn right, fancy calling her Corbyn!
Describing someone as "a person of colour" used to be considered more polite than saying "black" which was considered,harsh,blunt and therefore unfavourably discriminate.Gonzo wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2019 8:25 am I think it's reasonable to expect a politician (who by their very nature chose their words carefully) to know that a black woman is likely to be offended when called 'coloured'. It's also fucking stupid to give someone like Abbott ammunition to go on the attack.
Far more complex are all the new gender terms and pronouns. How the fuck anyone is supposed to keep up with that is a mystery.
I am over 50 and your first sentence says it all.Calling someone black in the 70`s and 80's was rude..Coloured was being polite.Abbott knows that too,has she is in her 60`s and imo only trying to stir up trouble.BlackDiamond wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2019 11:04 amDescribing someone as "a person of colour" used to be considered more polite than saying "black" which was considered,harsh,blunt and therefore unfavourably discriminate.Gonzo wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2019 8:25 am I think it's reasonable to expect a politician (who by their very nature chose their words carefully) to know that a black woman is likely to be offended when called 'coloured'. It's also fucking stupid to give someone like Abbott ammunition to go on the attack.
Far more complex are all the new gender terms and pronouns. How the fuck anyone is supposed to keep up with that is a mystery.
Lets consider a term freely bandied about that has no actual semantic meaning. The word transphobic.Trans is derived from "to transition" and phobic is to suffer from a phobia, which is a fear or aversion to something. Like spiders or snakes or the dark or heights etc.
So to describe someone as transphobic, would mean to suffer from a fear of people who wish to change their gender, which can't exist because that has no impact to one self.
Nobody is in fear of someone who enjoys crosswords,sudoko or chess; which are considered simply preferences. And no one is really in fear of someone who wants to change gender and wear frocks or lipstick.
On the other hand, there is a sensible fear of a bloody snakes and that is a good thing. It falls under the wide umbrella of self preservation.
The wankers who obsess about the meaning of esoteric terms like gender neutral are colouring outside the lines. A bit like purchasing an iPad to prop up a wobbly table leg.
I find it hard to believe a person of colour like herself would entertain such a thought...does she not remember Tom & Jerryterrya1965 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2019 11:39 amI am over 50 and your first sentence says it all.Calling someone black in the 70`s and 80's was rude..Coloured was being polite.Abbott knows that too,has she is in her 60`s and imo only trying to stir up trouble.BlackDiamond wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2019 11:04 am
Describing someone as "a person of colour" used to be considered more polite than saying "black" which was considered,harsh,blunt and therefore unfavourably discriminate.
Lets consider a term freely bandied about that has no actual semantic meaning. The word transphobic.Trans is derived from "to transition" and phobic is to suffer from a phobia, which is a fear or aversion to something. Like spiders or snakes or the dark or heights etc.
So to describe someone as transphobic, would mean to suffer from a fear of people who wish to change their gender, which can't exist because that has no impact to one self.
Nobody is in fear of someone who enjoys crosswords,sudoko or chess; which are considered simply preferences. And no one is really in fear of someone who wants to change gender and wear frocks or lipstick.
On the other hand, there is a sensible fear of a bloody snakes and that is a good thing. It falls under the wide umbrella of self preservation.
The wankers who obsess about the meaning of esoteric terms like gender neutral are colouring outside the lines. A bit like purchasing an iPad to prop up a wobbly table leg.
It's the word coloured that's the issue. If Rudd had said Abbott was a woman of colour I doubt anyone would've raised an eyebrow.BlackDiamond wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2019 11:04 am
Describing someone as "a person of colour" used to be considered more polite than saying "black" which was considered,harsh,blunt and therefore unfavourably discriminate.
...and therefore it's useful to remind people what these terms actually identify not what they think they mean. It's a course correction which is useful and what used to be understood - in more honest times - as "the teachable moment"Neville Bartos wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2019 12:05 pmIt's the word coloured that's the issue. If Rudd had said Abbott was a woman of colour I doubt anyone would've raised an eyebrow.BlackDiamond wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2019 11:04 am
Describing someone as "a person of colour" used to be considered more polite than saying "black" which was considered,harsh,blunt and therefore unfavourably discriminate.
It might seem like a fine line, but these are the times we live in.