Ramping Up Project Fear

[9898]

Your take on this has been pretty consistent from day one and I totally agree with you that political issues shouldn't get involved any which way. But to take your points in isolation let's look at the cold logic behind them.

"Keep it tight until we get the youngsters jabbed up". Why ? Youngsters, whilst they can transmit the disease are according to the known data not affected, at least seriously, by it. And the "loved ones" in the so called vulnerable groups to whom they can pass the disease will have received their jabs already. Heartless as it may sound my personal view is that anyone who has declined to be vaccinated and is in the vulnerable category should not expect the rest of us to suffer loss of freedoms or livelihoods because of them.

New variants ? Data seems to suggest the Delta one spreads faster but is no more or less harmful than it's brothers and sisters. So if we are being governed by scientific evidence there is nothing to suggest it is any more dangerous. It seems vaccines work against it just as effectively. I would even hazard a guess and suggest the "speed" of transmission of the "Indian variant" may, in any case, have as much to do with the lifestyle and family group structures of the ethnic groups mostly affected than it has to do with the virus itself. Of course that is just a personal thought which isn't backed up scientifically. However I do suspect that if it could be, in the interests of political correctness such information would probably be withheld from the masses.

I think it is backed up scientifically, it's certainly not a philosophical question. Science is observing the physical world and a high infection rate in the Asian communities indicates it's the Asians within them. It's not a design function of the communities, which are no better or shit than any other comparable communities.

It's not a blame game, but if we are going to identify an issue, then don't feel ashamed to call a fucking spade a spade....

That's a very naughty phrase that i thought was outlawed in the 80's.
You naughty, naughty boy.................
Ban incoming for you.

[Newmarket]

I think it is backed up scientifically, it's certainly not a philosophical question. Science is observing the physical world and a high infection rate in the Asian communities indicates it's the Asians within them. It's not a design function of the communities, which are no better or shit than any other comparable communities.

It's not a blame game, but if we are going to identify an issue, then don't feel ashamed to call a fucking spade a spade....

That's a very naughty phrase that i thought was outlawed in the 80's.
You naughty, naughty boy.................
Ban incoming for you.

Not from me there won’t be .

Good old English phrase , to tell it how it is .

And if you don’t like it …

[mkhammer]

But to be Honest,now we've all got to understand it more...Pure Logic Is setting in,it's pretty straight forward...
If Not for this new Variant...we were good to go...but it's here, so we keep things tight for a while longer till we get the
youngsters jabbed up...who will in the main will not be to troubled by it...but they could start to pass it on to older
loved ones,especially it cracks on the way it is at moment.....The small,very small minority that are choosing not to
be jabbed are contributing to the problem....if everyone was jabbed up,maybe poss to take a different course of action.

Personally think we have it under.....Concern for me is ,the D Variant spreading across Europe,we seem to have got
ourselves ahead of the Curve.....so we get the D variant under in 4/6 weeks or so,will it start kicking off around Europe,
and we'll have to put extra quarantine measures in or even stop travel,till they get it under as well..
We'll Sort it, but lots of problems still lie ahead nonetheless....
Main thing is as from July we can start to treat it like a Bad Flu...and not let it fuck our lives up,we've done the hard work,
time to crack on with normality.

Side Note...Didn't want Boris as Tory Leader,Don't dislike him..But as Leader Thought no...But has won me over,can't
imagine what a shit time he has been tho...After Churchill,must be the most difficult time to be a PM,he's done OK..
But...Opinions and all that...

Your take on this has been pretty consistent from day one and I totally agree with you that political issues shouldn't get involved any which way. But to take your points in isolation let's look at the cold logic behind them.

"Keep it tight until we get the youngsters jabbed up". Why ? Youngsters, whilst they can transmit the disease are according to the known data not affected, at least seriously, by it. And the "loved ones" in the so called vulnerable groups to whom they can pass the disease will have received their jabs already. Heartless as it may sound my personal view is that anyone who has declined to be vaccinated and is in the vulnerable category should not expect the rest of us to suffer loss of freedoms or livelihoods because of them.

New variants ? Data seems to suggest the Delta one spreads faster but is no more or less harmful than it's brothers and sisters. So if we are being governed by scientific evidence there is nothing to suggest it is any more dangerous. It seems vaccines work against it just as effectively. I would even hazard a guess and suggest the "speed" of transmission of the "Indian variant" may, in any case, have as much to do with the lifestyle and family group structures of the ethnic groups mostly affected than it has to do with the virus itself. Of course that is just a personal thought which isn't backed up scientifically. However I do suspect that if it could be, in the interests of political correctness such information would probably be withheld from the masses.

I think it's how far do we squeeze this thing..we probably have less people actually dying of this than Flu at moment,
whose figures will also be down...Lockdowns and masks etc hasn't only kept Covid down,other transmittable deceases
as well.
2 Jabs...not 2 Jags... is by most stats works at 80% protection..that's still 20% of us that might still be vulnerable,after
being jabbed,if we had hardly any youngsters inoculated that could pass it on...thats Borderline...do we risk it or not
territory,because of the yet again unknown factor of yet another,slightly stronger strain being around,that was enough
for the extra caution.....believe me no one is more fucked off with latest decision than me....but I get and understand it.

What really swings me is the Fact that the Government,a Tory Government have gone against everything they
stand for and aim to do...they are not doing these Lockdowns etc to benefit them, it's totally fucking things up..they
are doing it for the reasons they state...Protect us,our Vulnerable People,the NHS...

If me giving up parts of my life for a while,and giving me a few Problems..means a good few thousand of us get to spend a
few more years with Family, seeing grandkids etc...just gotta suck it up..
I guess it's the ..what price do we put on life thing.
I honestly dread to think of the situation we could have been in without the measures that have been taken.

I do agree with the second part of your last Paragraph tho....The PC Shit stops the truth coming out...
Not just in this either,way prevalent in our society at the moment...you just cant speak the truth,especially if you
are in the public eye,for fear of being branded this that or the other...
Is why I'm surprised so many of you dislike Boris so much,he will speak up if allowed ...defended the cricketer Robinson
recently for tweeting stuff a while back,he will go against the grain.

[Ironworksfc]

Getting the jab does not stop you catching or transmitting the virus FFS

[BlackDiamond]

Getting the jab does not stop you catching or transmitting the virus FFS

Your right and that's not the function of a vaccine. It's purpose is to prevent the host from becoming ill.

And to some degree some work better than others.

[Whiskyman]

Your take on this has been pretty consistent from day one and I totally agree with you that political issues shouldn't get involved any which way. But to take your points in isolation let's look at the cold logic behind them.

"Keep it tight until we get the youngsters jabbed up". Why ? Youngsters, whilst they can transmit the disease are according to the known data not affected, at least seriously, by it. And the "loved ones" in the so called vulnerable groups to whom they can pass the disease will have received their jabs already. Heartless as it may sound my personal view is that anyone who has declined to be vaccinated and is in the vulnerable category should not expect the rest of us to suffer loss of freedoms or livelihoods because of them.

New variants ? Data seems to suggest the Delta one spreads faster but is no more or less harmful than it's brothers and sisters. So if we are being governed by scientific evidence there is nothing to suggest it is any more dangerous. It seems vaccines work against it just as effectively. I would even hazard a guess and suggest the "speed" of transmission of the "Indian variant" may, in any case, have as much to do with the lifestyle and family group structures of the ethnic groups mostly affected than it has to do with the virus itself. Of course that is just a personal thought which isn't backed up scientifically. However I do suspect that if it could be, in the interests of political correctness such information would probably be withheld from the masses.

I think it's how far do we squeeze this thing..we probably have less people actually dying of this than Flu at moment,
whose figures will also be down...Lockdowns and masks etc hasn't only kept Covid down,other transmittable deceases
as well.
2 Jabs...not 2 Jags... is by most stats works at 80% protection..that's still 20% of us that might still be vulnerable,after
being jabbed,if we had hardly any youngsters inoculated that could pass it on...thats Borderline...do we risk it or not
territory,because of the yet again unknown factor of yet another,slightly stronger strain being around,that was enough
for the extra caution.....believe me no one is more fucked off with latest decision than me....but I get and understand it.

What really swings me is the Fact that the Government,a Tory Government have gone against everything they
stand for and aim to do...they are not doing these Lockdowns etc to benefit them, it's totally fucking things up..they
are doing it for the reasons they state...Protect us,our Vulnerable People,the NHS...

If me giving up parts of my life for a while,and giving me a few Problems..means a good few thousand of us get to spend a
few more years with Family, seeing grandkids etc...just gotta suck it up..
I guess it's the ..what price do we put on life thing.
I honestly dread to think of the situation we could have been in without the measures that have been taken.

I do agree with the second part of your last Paragraph tho....The PC Shit stops the truth coming out...
Not just in this either,way prevalent in our society at the moment...you just cant speak the truth,especially if you
are in the public eye,for fear of being branded this that or the other...
Is why I'm surprised so many of you dislike Boris so much,he will speak up if allowed ...defended the cricketer Robinson
recently for tweeting stuff a while back,he will go against the grain.

Fair play to the Hungarians. They’re obviously doing something right. Full house of 67000 in Budapest tonight. Good to see. And not one of those silly fucking masks in sight as far as I can tell.

[BlackDiamond]

I think it's how far do we squeeze this thing..we probably have less people actually dying of this than Flu at moment,
whose figures will also be down...Lockdowns and masks etc hasn't only kept Covid down,other transmittable deceases
as well.
2 Jabs...not 2 Jags... is by most stats works at 80% protection..that's still 20% of us that might still be vulnerable,after
being jabbed,if we had hardly any youngsters inoculated that could pass it on...thats Borderline...do we risk it or not
territory,because of the yet again unknown factor of yet another,slightly stronger strain being around,that was enough
for the extra caution.....believe me no one is more fucked off with latest decision than me....but I get and understand it.

What really swings me is the Fact that the Government,a Tory Government have gone against everything they
stand for and aim to do...they are not doing these Lockdowns etc to benefit them, it's totally fucking things up..they
are doing it for the reasons they state...Protect us,our Vulnerable People,the NHS...

If me giving up parts of my life for a while,and giving me a few Problems..means a good few thousand of us get to spend a
few more years with Family, seeing grandkids etc...just gotta suck it up..
I guess it's the ..what price do we put on life thing.
I honestly dread to think of the situation we could have been in without the measures that have been taken.

I do agree with the second part of your last Paragraph tho....The PC Shit stops the truth coming out...
Not just in this either,way prevalent in our society at the moment...you just cant speak the truth,especially if you
are in the public eye,for fear of being branded this that or the other...
Is why I'm surprised so many of you dislike Boris so much,he will speak up if allowed ...defended the cricketer Robinson
recently for tweeting stuff a while back,he will go against the grain.

Fair play to the Hungarians. They’re obviously doing something right. Full house of 67000 in Budapest tonight. Good to see. And not one of those silly fucking masks in sight as far as I can tell.

Well you don't want to lose face...

[Ironworksfc]

Getting the jab does not stop you catching or transmitting the virus FFS

Your right and that's not the function of a vaccine. It's purpose is to prevent the host from becoming ill.

And to some degree some work better than others.

I know I'm right that the covid jab doesn't stop you catching the virus or transmitting it BD, either that or the chief medical officer is a liar.

What that in turn means is that the 20% (given the supposed 80% efficiency of the jab) are at the same risk from the 80% jabbed as the unjabbed and certain posters continue to talk bollocks.

[Ironworksfc]

I think it's how far do we squeeze this thing..we probably have less people actually dying of this than Flu at moment,
whose figures will also be down...Lockdowns and masks etc hasn't only kept Covid down,other transmittable deceases
as well.
2 Jabs...not 2 Jags... is by most stats works at 80% protection..that's still 20% of us that might still be vulnerable,after
being jabbed,if we had hardly any youngsters inoculated that could pass it on...thats Borderline...do we risk it or not
territory,because of the yet again unknown factor of yet another,slightly stronger strain being around,that was enough
for the extra caution.....believe me no one is more fucked off with latest decision than me....but I get and understand it.

What really swings me is the Fact that the Government,a Tory Government have gone against everything they
stand for and aim to do...they are not doing these Lockdowns etc to benefit them, it's totally fucking things up..they
are doing it for the reasons they state...Protect us,our Vulnerable People,the NHS...

If me giving up parts of my life for a while,and giving me a few Problems..means a good few thousand of us get to spend a
few more years with Family, seeing grandkids etc...just gotta suck it up..
I guess it's the ..what price do we put on life thing.
I honestly dread to think of the situation we could have been in without the measures that have been taken.

I do agree with the second part of your last Paragraph tho....The PC Shit stops the truth coming out...
Not just in this either,way prevalent in our society at the moment...you just cant speak the truth,especially if you
are in the public eye,for fear of being branded this that or the other...
Is why I'm surprised so many of you dislike Boris so much,he will speak up if allowed ...defended the cricketer Robinson
recently for tweeting stuff a while back,he will go against the grain.

Fair play to the Hungarians. They’re obviously doing something right. Full house of 67000 in Budapest tonight. Good to see. And not one of those silly fucking masks in sight as far as I can tell.

Did you see anyone in the England stands wearing one whiskey??

I did not.

[Whiskyman]

Fair play to the Hungarians. They’re obviously doing something right. Full house of 67000 in Budapest tonight. Good to see. And not one of those silly fucking masks in sight as far as I can tell.

Did you see anyone in the England stands wearing one whiskey??

I did not.

Didn’t notice tbh. But I think it’s noticeable tonight because it’s a full house. Only mask wearers seem to be the officials round the pitch.