BillyDWhizz wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 10:42 am
mkhammer wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 8:58 pm
The only people I can find that dislike and don't trust Boris are on here G...TBH.....the Press/Media, Labour party etc give
it the big one..hounding and so on (whats new) ..but the most
important,the Public, on the whole seem to like and get
him..hence the Election results..
Always say to people have a little poll amongst your family and friends,see what they think and say,in things like this.
Personally I don't think he is what you say...But Politics is unfortunately partly built on Backstabbing and two timing,
as it is a lot in life..he's no worse or better than anyone.
Ummm...Sorry mate but I think you're wrong. How's the Tory party doing in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland? Are any of those countries 1st ministers Tories? No. No they're not.
Three quarters of the Union have rejected Tory leadership so what does that tell you? It tells you that outside of England Boris isn't liked at all, it's just that the first past the post electoral system doesn't really reflect the will of the people. How is it fair that one party can get a million votes only to win a single seat in Parliament, when another with let's say one hundred thousand votes wins 5 times as many seats?
More people vote against the winning party than for it. Only twice since 1935 has a party formed a government with the majority of cast votes and therein lies the problem. Boris got his nice fat majority in 2019 only because, with the voters feeling disenfranchised and having no practical alternative to Corbyn, one in three people in England voted tactically. Had they not then the outcome would have been very different.
Whilst obviously this is a failing of the Labour party and not Boris it does highlight the shortcomings of first past the post as the tactical vote in England basically nullified the popular vote outside of it.
I digress but my point is if you take off your home counties tinted spectacles you would see that Boris is not very well liked at all. Just as a snapshot - Manchester 5 MPs 0 Tory, Liverpool 4 MPs 0 Tory, Leeds 8 MPs 3 Tory, Birmingham 8 MPs 2 Tory. These are big population centres outside of the South East of England and certainly aren't reflective of much love for Boris Johnson.
Ahh Twisting stats bill.....you Talk PR then say 75% aren't Tory Minded and don't want them..But 44% of public actually
voted for them,and in a PR system SNP would have about 3 seats in Parliament...
Even a Scottish PR system would give the Tories an extra 10 seats or so and lose the SNP the same...can't have cake and
eat it mate.
Poss as well if Ruth Davidson had stayed as leader...no way would SNP get anywhere near percentage of vote 45%
They get.
(Same as Tories get by the way,Ones an overwhelming majority,the other according to some shouldn't allow you
to Govern)
A PR System in Wales would give the Tories 3/4 more seats with their 36% over Labours 40% which is 90% from the
south of country.
The Tories have taken seats that were impossible 5/6 years ago...that goes way beyond the Corbyn effect....
if it was the Corbyn effect then how much more proof do we need this country doe's not want a Socialist based system.
Even what were Hard Core Socialists have turned against a left leaning Labour party........Why....
Have they all become Thatcherites over night...No.....it's the Boris effect.
Don't disagree tho should be maybe some kinda electoral reform...Greens get 70% of SNPs total...
SNP have 48 seats Greens 1....that's not right......Maybe time to adjust the Lords so a reflection of vote can be seen
there...I don't want Hung Parliaments...whereby 4/5 parties can group together and vote a minority Government down
for their own political gain.
End of the day however you break it down 365 outta 650 available seats is a big enough Majority to say this country
the UK wants a Conservative Government.
Home Counties tinted Specs.....
..Nice one....
