only1salty wrote: ↑Fri Jul 02, 2021 2:50 pm
Here's the issue with representation from a different perspective
The British population is 86% white, 3% black and 8% asian
This is nowhere near the mix level of the US and yet we have a bunch of virtue signallers in London who judge themselves through a US lens driven by their left wing views and social media appetite.
The UK is 3% black. Now watch an ad break tonight on TV - anytime on ITV, doesn't matter when. Every single ad has a black actor.
Now real representation is 3 in 100. That is a statistical fact and so statistically - there is a complete over representation of black people in the media. This is because the media departments are attempting to use various social campaigns for marketing purposes. This has the unfortunate impact of actually promoting far right politics by polarising communities.
I genuinely believe there is very little racism in the UK as a whole. There are pockets of it and they apply equally to certain parts of Newham, Hackney or Washington. Racism is not discrimination by white people, racism is discrimination in all forms.
I genuinely don't know anyone who does not agree with "Kick it Out". I know plenty who hate BLM and all it stands for.
So Flarion in particular. When you talk about representation remember the UK is 3% black and if anyone is under represented in our media, our sport and our society it is actually asian people.
only1salty wrote: ↑Fri Jul 02, 2021 2:50 pm
Here's the issue with representation from a different perspective
The British population is 86% white, 3% black and 8% asian
This is nowhere near the mix level of the US and yet we have a bunch of virtue signallers in London who judge themselves through a US lens driven by their left wing views and social media appetite.
The UK is 3% black. Now watch an ad break tonight on TV - anytime on ITV, doesn't matter when. Every single ad has a black actor.
Now real representation is 3 in 100. That is a statistical fact and so statistically - there is a complete over representation of black people in the media. This is because the media departments are attempting to use various social campaigns for marketing purposes. This has the unfortunate impact of actually promoting far right politics by polarising communities.
I genuinely believe there is very little racism in the UK as a whole. There are pockets of it and they apply equally to certain parts of Newham, Hackney or Washington. Racism is not discrimination by white people, racism is discrimination in all forms.
I genuinely don't know anyone who does not agree with "Kick it Out". I know plenty who hate BLM and all it stands for.
So Flarion in particular. When you talk about representation remember the UK is 3% black and if anyone is under represented in our media, our sport and our society it is actually asian people.
Surely a more relevant statistic would be that if the British population believes the bollocks fed to it in ads it is 86% gullible, never mind it's bloody colour. Mind you the way Project Fear has been managed that statistic is probably about right.
But I guess the Daz Washes Whiter ads days are numbered. Some jobsworth is bound to decide the wording is racist.
Why Is There Only One Monopolies Commission. Isn't That A Monopoly?
Joseph Fienes playing Michael Jackson
Elizabeth Taylor playing Cleopatra
John Wayne playing Genghis Khan
There is a long history of white actors portraying non white characters, both historical and fictional.
Personally I think the practice is quite frankly ridiculous, but what is good for the goose and all that.
Is that it ? never even heard of the Fienes playing M.Jackson ( you must of dug deep to find that one ) .
As for E.Taylor playing Cleopatra - Here's some historical fact , Cleopatras family hailed not from the land it governed but from Macedonia, which has led many researchers to believe her skin was light — as European art has always depicted her — not dark like that of the native Egyptians. Some, like Cleopatra biographer Michael Grant, are adamant that she had “not a drop of Egyptian blood in her veins .”
Pretty sure the idea of J.Wayne playing Gengkis was to bring in the fans , were there actually any Mongolian actors in Hollywood at the time ? ( If there was they wouldn't have got the job anyway ) . The film contains a lot of famous non-Asian actors playing Asian roles, such as Susan Hayward, Agnes Moorehead and Lee Van Cleef . The film was a critical and commercial disaster and frequently makes the cut on “worst movie of all time” lists.
A Black woman acting the part of a white English Queen , this has only been done to fill their channels diversity quota as far as I am concerned , which surely is in direct contrast to what the Racialist atmosphere of today ! .
As far as Diversity goes this does not represent the population in this country .
Is that it? No it is just an example. Hollywood has a history of casting white actors in non white roles.
Joseph Fienes playing Michael Jackson
Elizabeth Taylor playing Cleopatra
John Wayne playing Genghis Khan
There is a long history of white actors portraying non white characters, both historical and fictional.
Personally I think the practice is quite frankly ridiculous, but what is good for the goose and all that.
And we know why, commercial reasons. Elizabeth Taylor and John Wayne were huge stars at the time and historical accuracy was not important.
The current insistence on following some script that ticks boxes proscribed by the fucking metoo# movement,invariablly leads to bad art and wanky decisions. The enthusiam is generated by the weird notion that the audience is supportive of this nonsense. I doubt anyone gives a shit sincerely and once fashion suggests that horse has been flogged to within an inch of it's life, the whole whingeing/swingeing muckfest will be allowed to fade away.
My point was and remains that Hollywood has a long history of whitewashing non white characters and very few people had an issue with it. Either way I think the practice is ridiculous. Some people seem to think that I was defending the decision to cast a black actor as a white historical figure. That was of course not the point I was making.
Joseph Fienes playing Michael Jackson
Elizabeth Taylor playing Cleopatra
John Wayne playing Genghis Khan
There is a long history of white actors portraying non white characters, both historical and fictional.
The Michael Jackson episode of urban myths was a piss take not intended to be taken seriously and was pulled at the last minute after ‘outrage’ from Jackson’s family in particular and the non-Caucasian community in general.
Are you saying all Egyptians are Black ?
Ok I’ll give you the 3rd one , the leading Mongolian Actors of the period must have been busy at the time.
Any more you can come up with ?
I’m particularly interested in the fictional black characters played by white actors … that would be very interesting
Where did I suggest all Egyptians were black? I said there was a long history of white actors portraying non white characters. I would argue that a large portion of Egyptians, especially from that period would be considered non white.
An example of a non white fictional character being portrayed by a white actors would be Othello. The birth of a nation is another example , as are many westerns.
The Michael Jackson episode of urban myths was a piss take not intended to be taken seriously and was pulled at the last minute after ‘outrage’ from Jackson’s family in particular and the non-Caucasian community in general.
Are you saying all Egyptians are Black ?
Ok I’ll give you the 3rd one , the leading Mongolian Actors of the period must have been busy at the time.
Any more you can come up with ?
I’m particularly interested in the fictional black characters played by white actors … that would be very interesting
Where did I suggest all Egyptians were black? I said there was a long history of white actors portraying non white characters. I would argue that a large portion of Egyptians, especially from that period would be considered non white.
An example of a non white fictional character being portrayed by a white actors would be Othello. The birth of a nation is another example , as are many westerns.
So there’s a chance Cleopatra may have been Caucasian ?
You did suggest that Cleopatra couldn’t have been as she was Egyptian?
Anyway that’s been dealt with above anyway . To be honest you got me with Othello , Comprehensives in Barking never went beyond Romeo & Juliet and even most of that went woooosh
To be fair to you , you are right what you said above about it being ridiculous both ways but that said , it doesn’t make Channel 5’s decision to cast a black Anne Boleyn any less ridiculous.
Cleopatra was born in Egypt of Greek descent so was probably of a Mediterranean hue. Othello was indeed black but was of course fictional.
Someone who was quite probably black was the Queen of Sheba but was always played by a white actress in film, notably Gina Lollobrigida in 1962.
But recent evidence suggests Ann Boleyn too may actually have been black as around the time she was Queen a lot of Henry's stuff started to go missing.
Are people really small minded they are counting black faces, wouldn’t it be great if everyone could just look beyond that.
Or counting white faces - or counting the lack of black faces
Totally agree
Its not a statistical point - I like you don't really care. Its an example of the representation argument that is as one sided as an England v Ukraine football match
) . The film contains a lot of famous non-Asian actors playing Asian roles, such as Susan Hayward, Agnes Moorehead and Lee Van Cleef . The film was a critical and commercial disaster and frequently makes the cut on “worst movie of all time” lists.
, this has only been done to fill their channels diversity quota as far as I am concerned , which surely is in direct contrast to what the Racialist atmosphere of today ! .
