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HamstasParadise wrote: Wed Aug 18, 2021 9:48 pm
I’m sure that quite a few people on here will have at least a little insight to acquisitions, and if there has been a real bid, then it will be formalised through lawyers or an investment bank, and Beard would be able to identify that.
Don't know if you listened to Jim White/Simon Jordan on Talk Sport. Jordan said pretty much the same as you. Deals are not done through the media. They are done in law offices and, when the ink is dry, that's when the media get involved.

I bet, like me, the first you'd ever heard of Roman Abramovich was when it was announced that Chelsea had been bought buy him and he was going to make millions available to them to turn them into a European super power.
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Whiskyman wrote: Wed Aug 18, 2021 5:52 pm
only1salty wrote: Wed Aug 18, 2021 10:27 am

goodpost:)
Very good summary of a lengthy listen that went nowhere

My summary

Want to run the club for their own profit (sustainable business model)
Retractable seating and corporate boxes to be installed
Want to make money out of the wider Olympic Park by running the stadium (not owning, running)

Beard laid out Brentford as a model - owner has lost £200m and sells best players every season.
Whilst generally agreeing that Beard made a complete pig's ear of his "presentation", Leicester are often held up as a well run club. Yei their model tends to involve the sale of their major assets most seasons. Kante, Mahrez, Maguire, Chilwell being four who immediately come to mind.

Not a problem if you have a decent recruitment process in place, which Leicester obviously do, to replace those who leave.
This only works if what you bring in is at worst, equal and preferably better than what you move on. Otherwise you get worse as a team. Kante and Mahrez left a title winning side that has not qualified for the Champions League since they left. Chilwell was a youth product of the Glen Johnson ilk.

Southampton used to be the same beacon of hope for a sustainable model - they continually sold and are now shit. Arsenal tried to run sustainably. They are a laughing stock compared to where they used to be.

You need to have a great structure from top to bottom. Training, scouting, recruitment, academy, coaching, business management and deep pockets to get through tough times.

We have 2 porn barons who have decided to stop investing and zero clue on how to monetise infrastructure, a rented stadium, a shit training ground and less scouts than Bear Grylls.

We have a manager who knows how to set up a side and when everyone buys in he gets results. He needs a bit of fucking support from the 2 clowns with deep pockets and short arms.

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only1salty wrote: Thu Aug 19, 2021 9:41 am
Whiskyman wrote: Wed Aug 18, 2021 5:52 pm

Whilst generally agreeing that Beard made a complete pig's ear of his "presentation", Leicester are often held up as a well run club. Yei their model tends to involve the sale of their major assets most seasons. Kante, Mahrez, Maguire, Chilwell being four who immediately come to mind.

Not a problem if you have a decent recruitment process in place, which Leicester obviously do, to replace those who leave.
This only works if what you bring in is at worst, equal and preferably better than what you move on. Otherwise you get worse as a team. Kante and Mahrez left a title winning side that has not qualified for the Champions League since they left. Chilwell was a youth product of the Glen Johnson ilk.

Southampton used to be the same beacon of hope for a sustainable model - they continually sold and are now shit. Arsenal tried to run sustainably. They are a laughing stock compared to where they used to be.

You need to have a great structure from top to bottom. Training, scouting, recruitment, academy, coaching, business management and deep pockets to get through tough times.

We have 2 porn barons who have decided to stop investing and zero clue on how to monetise infrastructure, a rented stadium, a shit training ground and less scouts than Bear Grylls.

We have a manager who knows how to set up a side and when everyone buys in he gets results. He needs a bit of fucking support from the 2 clowns with deep pockets and short arms.
"Sustainability" is all well and good. But it has to be backed up with hard cash. Our own example is a testament to that. And of course you are right that recruitment has to replace those sold with better. But where do you find better than Kante at a price that is affordable for the likes of Leicester ?

I certainly can't disagree with your assessment of where we are now but I am prepared to guarantee one thing. Without investment into the team and also the infrastructure it won't be long before Moyes, reputation restored, is head hunted and departs for greener pastures. And any players who harbour an ambition of winning medals will be following him out of the exit door.
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only1salty wrote: Thu Aug 19, 2021 9:41 am
Whiskyman wrote: Wed Aug 18, 2021 5:52 pm

Whilst generally agreeing that Beard made a complete pig's ear of his "presentation", Leicester are often held up as a well run club. Yei their model tends to involve the sale of their major assets most seasons. Kante, Mahrez, Maguire, Chilwell being four who immediately come to mind.

Not a problem if you have a decent recruitment process in place, which Leicester obviously do, to replace those who leave.
This only works if what you bring in is at worst, equal and preferably better than what you move on. Otherwise you get worse as a team. Kante and Mahrez left a title winning side that has not qualified for the Champions League since they left. Chilwell was a youth product of the Glen Johnson ilk.

Southampton used to be the same beacon of hope for a sustainable model - they continually sold and are now shit. Arsenal tried to run sustainably. They are a laughing stock compared to where they used to be.

You need to have a great structure from top to bottom. Training, scouting, recruitment, academy, coaching, business management and deep pockets to get through tough times.

We have 2 porn barons who have decided to stop investing and zero clue on how to monetise infrastructure, a rented stadium, a shit training ground and less scouts than Bear Grylls.

We have a manager who knows how to set up a side and when everyone buys in he gets results. He needs a bit of fucking support from the 2 clowns with deep pockets and short arms.
goodpost:)

You have it spot on.

It`s only a matter of time before it all goes tits up because of the infrastructure.at the club.

They have never wanted to invest in what is important to make the club grow.

As you say,Moyes's reputation is growing.What him and his coaching Team have done is phenomenal under the circumstances.

Our owners don't deserve them.

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According to this, Cottee is on board now. Only saw the headline and not read the whole thing. Bit crazy if he is tbh but likely to get more credibility than the Ferdinands.

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JayK wrote: Fri Aug 20, 2021 9:19 pm According to this, Cottee is on board now. Only saw the headline and not read the whole thing. Bit crazy if he is tbh but likely to get more credibility than the Ferdinands.

It puts a few quid in his bin I suppose.

Sticking to my guns,I don't want them near our club.

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terrya1965 wrote: Fri Aug 20, 2021 9:49 pm
JayK wrote: Fri Aug 20, 2021 9:19 pm According to this, Cottee is on board now. Only saw the headline and not read the whole thing. Bit crazy if he is tbh but likely to get more credibility than the Ferdinands.

It puts a few quid in his bin I suppose.

Sticking to my guns,I don't want them near our club.
I’m with you Tel. Think a few more fans will get behind it with Cottee involved though. But as many have said, Jordan said it well on the radio. PAI are amateurish at best
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terrya1965 wrote: Fri Aug 20, 2021 9:49 pm
JayK wrote: Fri Aug 20, 2021 9:19 pm According to this, Cottee is on board now. Only saw the headline and not read the whole thing. Bit crazy if he is tbh but likely to get more credibility than the Ferdinands.

It puts a few quid in his bin I suppose.

Sticking to my guns,I don't want them near our club.
Tony Cottee has more time available as Sky cancelled his punditry contract in August. Let go and basically replaced by someone younger.

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Have you seen some of the responses to his tweet, quite a few along the lines of "If you think it's alright then I'm behind it..." and "in TC we trust"

Half of them can't even make their own decisions

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Load of old shit

Everybody knows how an investment banker works, right?
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