Joined up thinking is an alien concept to the dwarf. Ffs he probably struggles with joined up writing.
Joined up thinking is an alien concept to the dwarf. Ffs he probably struggles with joined up writing.
Manager/Director of football relationship has to work if it’s going to be successful. Any good coach should be able to organise good players into an effective team.FlatCapDave wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 9:24 pmThe thing is, Steidten and Moyes most likely can work together. But, the manager always has to have final say on a player being signed or not.eskimo joe wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 8:51 pm Reading all that has been said only leaves me thinking that most are looking at things from different view points whilst skirting on the edges of other scenarios-
Yes Sullivan has liked to have his paws on transfers, and the very first time he lets go Moyes fucks it up. Being the devils advocate here and by no means saying it is true- Isnt it at all possible that bringing in Steidten Sullivan, or other parties, are paving the way for a more up to date way of doing things?( As mentioned by Flat cap Dave) A bit late maybe, but better late than never. Christmas might shine a light on matters more.
I think they would have got rid of Moyes earlier were it not for how we were placed in the CL, a case of not rocking the boat. Chancey yes, but we survived the drop. Now it could be a case of riding it out and keeping an eye on matters.
It does seem like the appearance of Steidten is too much to be coincidence, which seems , to me anyway, that it has been in the works for quite a few months. What the actual plans are we can only presume, but as has been said by others, S and M cant really work together so...............
More likely Frank Gallagher mate.
Yeah, but in almost 99% of situations where there's a DoF, he's there to support the manager, not the other way around. It's usually his job to work with the manager, and when the manager identifies the gaps in his squad and the type of player he wants the DoF goes out and gets someone who fits the bill and who the manager wants.Whiskyman wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2023 9:59 am Manager/Director of football relationship has to work if it’s going to be successful. Any good coach should be able to organise good players into an effective team.
But flexibility in respect of formations and such like is key and I’ve got doubts about whether Moyes is versatile enough to change his way of thinking.
It’s a ridiculous situation to find ourselves in yet again. You either bring in a DoF to compliment and work with the manager or you replace the manager if this DoF is the main man you want. Sullivan has done neither and from I’ve been reading is trying to appease both of them with their own chosen players (or some).FlatCapDave wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2023 9:13 pmYeah, but in almost 99% of situations where there's a DoF, he's there to support the manager, not the other way around. It's usually his job to work with the manager, and when the manager identifies the gaps in his squad and the type of player he wants the DoF goes out and gets someone who fits the bill and who the manager wants.Whiskyman wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2023 9:59 am Manager/Director of football relationship has to work if it’s going to be successful. Any good coach should be able to organise good players into an effective team.
But flexibility in respect of formations and such like is key and I’ve got doubts about whether Moyes is versatile enough to change his way of thinking.
What we're seeing suggested here is an entirely mental scenario where there's a club owner, a DoF, an ex-player who doesn't seem to have a defined role, and the manager, all having a vote on which players to sign. And if the manager gets outvoted it's a case of "tough shit, you're getting this player. Make do with him."
That's a recipe for disaster. There's no point in having a DoF unless he is totally aligned with the current manager, or is part of the process of hiring a new manager that he thinks will work well with him.
As per usual, we've taken the crumb of a good idea and carried it out arse-backwards.
It's absolutely mental. Unless Sully is thinking he'll let Moyes ride out his contract then eventually get rid and bring in a manager who's more in-line with Steidtman.JayK wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2023 10:21 pm It’s a ridiculous situation to find ourselves in yet again. You either bring in a DoF to compliment and work with the manager or you replace the manager if this DoF is the main man you want. Sullivan has done neither and from I’ve been reading is trying to appease both of them with their own chosen players (or some).
I don't think Moyes is trying to replace Rice. He can't. We don't have the money or the appeal to bring in a player like-for-like. I can see him tweaking the system a bit and changing things up ever so slightly.JayK wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2023 10:21 pmI do believe Moyes targets are the likes of Maguire, ward-prowse and Gallagher, while Steidtmans are Alvarez and Zakaria just to name a few for each. Personally I think Moyes preferred use of the money is not the right option with the system he plays. None are a direct or as close to possible replacement for Rice but are better in place of Soucek. But I don’t see Soucek ever being dropped, especially if he is indeed the new captain which it looks like.
